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Regensburg ms shows Jerome's support of heavenly witnesses text - Fickermann
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.56/post-138
Here is the fuller Grantley section, and I add some spacing.
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Regensburg ms shows Jerome's support of heavenly witnesses text - Fickermann
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.56/post-138
Here is the fuller Grantley section, and I add some spacing.
Walter Thiele's important section was on p. 26-27, starting with:Firstly, in 1934 Norbert Fickermann drew attention to a note in a twelfth-century manuscript of the Regensburg Epistola rhetoricae, which makes the following claims:
“St Jerome argued that that verbal repetition [replicatio] in the [first] Epistle of John—‘And there are three that bear witness, the Father, the Word and the Spirit’—was established as certain. By contrast, St Augustine prescribed that it should be removed, on the basis of the Apostle’s meaning and the authority of the Greek.”34
Given the relatively recent date of this text (eleventh century), its erroneous attribution of the Prologue to the Catholic Epistles to Jerome, and the fact that the statement about Augustine seems not to reflect anything in the Father’s extant works, it is difficult to know how much confidence to place in this assertion. p. 30-31
34 Munich, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek elm 14596, cit. Fickermann, 1934, 350:
“Replicationem illam in epistola Iohannis: et tres sunt qui testimonium dant, pater et verbum et spiritus beatus Hieronimus ratam esse astruit; beatus vero Augustinus ex apostoli sententia et ex grece linguae auctoritate demendam esse prescribit.”
Thiele, 1959, 71-72, takes this statement as possible evidence that Augustine suppressed the comma in his text, evidence he sees in the occurrence of the readings Filius and Spiritus Sanctus in Augustine’s Contra Maximinum; we addressed Thiele’s hypothesis above.
.The addressing done by Grantley is full of irony, weak logic and diversion. One example: he uses an argument based on the non-usage of Augustine, which is what is specifically addressed in the Regensburg ms. and the paper of Fickermann .. Augustine. Circularity, the jewel.... Walter Thiele (1959) suggested that this passage gives evidence that the comma was already present in the text known to Cyprian. Most modern scholars before Thiele had argued that Cyprian’s invocation of Pater, Filius, Spiritus Sanctus rather than Pater, Verbum, Spiritus Sanctus—the form usually encountered in the comma—suggests that he did not know the comma, but Thiele showed that several Fathers (ps.-Augustine, Eugenius of Carthage, Cassiodorus) also site the comma with Filius, as does the Leon palimpsest, the Theodulfian recension and the Vulgate ms Dijon, Bibi, munic. 9bis. ..
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