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Oseas

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JOHN 1:1
"The Word was God (NOT The God)"
"The Word is God (NOT The God)"
was or is he God?
God = Elohim = theos
The God = HaElohim = ho theos (Revelation JOHN 1:1)

was or is he God? Don't you know? God is from everlasting to everlasting, He has not beginning, neither ending. JESUS is the beginning and the ending as He said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord (my Lord), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Before Abraham was, I AM.

John 1:v.1-3
1 In the beginning -IN JESUS - was the Word -GOD, GOD the Father-, and the Word -GOD the Father - was with God - GOD the Son - , and the Word was God - GOD the Father. - From everlasting to everlasting -


2 The same was in the beginning -IN JESUS, the Word made flesh - with God. - GOD the Father -


3 All things were made by Him - by JESUS - ; and without Him -without JESUS- was not any thing made that was made. (Let us make man in our image, after our likeness ...Genesis 1:v.26



I believe in my GOD, the I AM, and in His Son, the I AM, as He said: Before Abraham was, I AM, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord (my Lord), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Now,


god - Elohim - The god - HaElohim --- What's that, but fake?

You believe in false gods or pseudo-gods like jeova, haElohim, in fact they are nothing, they both are fictitious names of spirits of demons, and they are not gods, whose spirits manifest even in woodoo, both are nothing unless they be considered as names of demons among a legion of them, like those that entered in the de pigs there in Israel.
 

Nash88

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Yehovih has a kabbalistic meaning but that's not the proper name of YHVH .
in Kabbalah the name is stil
" Yehôvah" .
It's in Zeir Anpin , the name of the Son
" Bèn".
Haven't you ever heard that the name of the Messiah will be YHVH ,the name of the HaKadôsh Baruch hu , in the world to come??

We should ask a question why YHVH repeatedly says " Ani HU " " I am HE "?
I am the First and the Last?
Is 44:6 ; 42:8 , Dt 32:39 .
When you unfold " Ani HU " it goes " Was is will be " which is something found in the Targumim in Dt 32:39 .
Getting back to " Èhyèh " , first it's not the causative stem , it's rather Qal so we should only stick to Qal conjugation.
Then from "Èhyèh "shifting to " Yihyèh" the Rabbis understood it's not just Yihyèh but also hovèh ,hayah.
God is timeless , infinite !
When he says ANI HU it is like he is saying that " I am the past ,the present ,the future " all in one or I am He who has always been and will continue to be ,I am the Being !
This is also something we find in the book of Revelation itself .
Rev 1:4,8 ;8:4 ,...
The name is an amalgam of
" V'hu Hayah v' hu Hovèh v' hu Yihyèh".
When God says " Zè Shmi lE ÔlAm " it means the secret of his name is in " Le ôlam" ( eôa) .
You can also watch this video :
 
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Nash88

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In Gematria the name of the Son :
Bèn = 52.
And yehôvah with full vowels occurs 52 times in the Leningrad codex .
Coincidence ? Kabbalistically nope!
The name of the Son is the name of HaKadôsh Baruch hu.( In kabbalah)
 
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Nash88

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As being said ,the unique ,the explicit ,the great name of God is found within Kabbalah it's in Zeir Anpin ! 😊😊
We have 10 Sefirot .
What are those 10 Sefirot?
God’s self could not be understood, but God has revealed attributes that interact with each other and the world. These are known as sefirot. Just as human beings are made up of various internal traits or tendencies of personality, all of which interact with one another, so too God is made up of various internal traits or “drives.”
Each of 10 Sefirot is associated with a name of God.
Keter <=> Èhyèh
Hokhmah <=> Yah
Binah <=> Yèhovih
Chesed <=> Èl
Gevurah <=> Èlohim
Tipherèt <=> Yehôvah
Netzah <=> Tzevaot
Hod <=> Tzevaot
Yesod <=> Shaday
Malchut <=> Adonay


Zeir Anpin is represented by 06 Sefirot :
Chesed, Geburah Tiphereth , Netzah ,Hod , Yesod.
But ONLY one of them corresponds to the Tetragrammaton,the shem hameforash , the great name,...

Concerning the 6th sefirah " "Tipherèt" :
Tiferet
corresponds to the Tetragrammaton itself.
Its Primary meaning: "Beauty".
Also known as: Harmony, Rahamim (compassion), the attribute of mercy, the written Torah, Bridegroom, Husband, SON ( Bèn) , King, Father, MESSIAH , Tabernacle/Temple, the Holy Tree, (Tree of Life), heaven, the letter "vav," Creator, Gate of Righteousness, Sun, "Ha Kadosh Baruch Hu ,"
HA-SHEM, YHWH, the Great Name, the Unique Name, the explicit name..."

Remember that the name of the Messiah in the world to come will be the Tetragrammaton itself :
YEHÔVAH ( blessed be his name) .
 

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Oseas

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As being said ,the unique ,the explicit ,the great name of God is found within Kabbalah it's in Zeir Anpin ! 😊😊
We have 10 Sefirot .
What are those 10 Sefirot?
God’s self could not be understood, but God has revealed attributes that interact with each other and the world. These are known as sefirot. Just as human beings are made up of various internal traits or tendencies of personality, all of which interact with one another, so too God is made up of various internal traits or “drives.”
Each of 10 Sefirot is associated with a name of God.
Keter <=> Èhyèh
Hokhmah <=> Yah
Binah <=> Yèhovih
Chesed <=> Èl
Gevurah <=> Èlohim
Tipherèt <=> Yehôvah
Netzah <=> Tzevaot
Hod <=> Tzevaot
Yesod <=> Shaday
Malchut <=> Adonay


Zeir Anpin is represented by 06 Sefirot :
Chesed, Geburah Tiphereth , Netzah ,Hod , Yesod.
But ONLY one of them corresponds to the Tetragrammaton,the shem hameforash , the great name,...

Concerning the 6th sefirah " "Tipherèt" :
Tiferet
corresponds to the Tetragrammaton itself.
Its Primary meaning: "Beauty".
Also known as: Harmony, Rahamim (compassion), the attribute of mercy, the written Torah, Bridegroom, Husband, SON ( Bèn) , King, Father, MESSIAH , Tabernacle/Temple, the Holy Tree, (Tree of Life), heaven, the letter "vav," Creator, Gate of Righteousness, Sun, "Ha Kadosh Baruch Hu ,"
HA-SHEM, YHWH, the Great Name, the Unique Name, the explicit name..."

Remember that the name of the Messiah in the world to come will be the Tetragrammaton itself :
YEHÔVAH ( blessed be his name) .
Speculations, and imaginations, and presumptions, opinions, conjectures, is good for nothing. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. GOD is Spirit and is life.

Being a mere interpret by the letter , you are a killer of souls. Matthew 23:v.15 - JESUS said: 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

 

Nash88

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Speculations, and imaginations, and presumptions, opinions, conjectures, is good for nothing. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. GOD is Spirit and is life.

Being a mere interpret by the letter , you are a killer of souls. Matthew 23:v.15 - JESUS said: 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

The language itself proves it :
Look at Psalm 29 , how poetic is it !
But Psalm 29:9 stands out :
" ק֤וֹל יְהֹוָ֨ה ׀ יְחוֹלֵ֣ל אַיָּלוֹת֮ וַֽיֶּחֱשֹׂ֢ף יְעָ֫ר֥וֹת וּבְהֵיכָל֑וֹ כֻּ֝לּ֗וֹ אֹמֵ֥ר כָּבֽוֹד "
kÔl YEHÔvah YEHÔlel ayalÔt vayèchèsÔf yearÔt uveheykalÔ koulÔ Ômer kavÔd .

1Samuel 17:47
וְיֵֽדְעוּ֙ כׇּל־הַקָּהָ֣ל הַזֶּ֔ה כִּי־לֹ֛א בְּחֶ֥רֶב וּבַחֲנִ֖ית
יְהוֹשִׁ֣יעַ יְהֹוָ֑ה כִּ֤י לַֽיהֹוָה֙ הַמִּלְחָמָ֔ה וְנָתַ֥ן אֶתְכֶ֖ם בְּיָדֵֽנוּ׃ {ס}
And this whole assembly shall know that the LORD can give victory without sword or spear. For the battle is the LORD’s, and He will deliver you into our hands.”

There is this word " יהושיע" (YEHÔshia = Salvation) juxtaposed to " YHVH " , in its RARE spelling !
it is usually spelled WITHOUT the letter ה ( Yôshia =יושיע) throughout the Tanach , only 2 times it gets the letter the letter ה :
one in Psalm 116:6
and the last one in 1Samuel 17:47 going
" YEHÔshia YEHÔvah".
That rhymes !

You have to understand , what tradition those who wrote the Alepo codex the Leningrad codex ,...were familiar with , cos their tradition influenced what they wrote.
Yehôvah with full vowels occurs 52 times in the Leningrad codex , and Bèn( Son) has a numerical value: 52 ; "Bèn "is associated with the sixth sefirah " Tipherèt" which in turn is associated with the Tetragrammaton itself which is vocalized " Yehôvah ".
That's the name that the Jews have never forgotten it is preserved in the Siddurim ,codices ,...but you know what they don't pronounce it the way it is written , instead they read Adonay and behave the name as if it bears the letters and vowels of Adonay. This is something people will never understand !
This YaHWèh is just a fabrication ! This is unknown to the Jews !nope !
 

Oseas

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The language itself proves it :
Look at Psalm 29 , how poetic is it !
But Psalm 29:9 stands out :
" ק֤וֹל יְהֹוָ֨ה ׀ יְחוֹלֵ֣ל אַיָּלוֹת֮ וַֽיֶּחֱשֹׂ֢ף יְעָ֫ר֥וֹת וּבְהֵיכָל֑וֹ כֻּ֝לּ֗וֹ אֹמֵ֥ר כָּבֽוֹד "
kÔl YEHÔvah YEHÔlel ayalÔt vayèchèsÔf yearÔt uveheykalÔ koulÔ Ômer kavÔd .

1Samuel 17:47
וְיֵֽדְעוּ֙ כׇּל־הַקָּהָ֣ל הַזֶּ֔ה כִּי־לֹ֛א בְּחֶ֥רֶב וּבַחֲנִ֖ית
יְהוֹשִׁ֣יעַ יְהֹוָ֑ה כִּ֤י לַֽיהֹוָה֙ הַמִּלְחָמָ֔ה וְנָתַ֥ן אֶתְכֶ֖ם בְּיָדֵֽנוּ׃ {ס}
And this whole assembly shall know that the LORD can give victory without sword or spear. For the battle is the LORD’s, and He will deliver you into our hands.”

There is this word " יהושיע" (YEHÔshia = Salvation) juxtaposed to " YHVH " , in its RARE spelling !
it is usually spelled WITHOUT the letter ה ( Yôshia =יושיע) throughout the Tanach , only 2 times it gets the letter the letter ה :
one in Psalm 116:6
and the last one in 1Samuel 17:47 going
" YEHÔshia YEHÔvah".
That rhymes !

You have to understand , what tradition those who wrote the Alepo codex the Leningrad codex ,...were familiar with , cos their tradition influenced what they wrote.
Yehôvah with full vowels occurs 52 times in the Leningrad codex , and Bèn( Son) has a numerical value: 52 ; "Bèn "is associated with the sixth sefirah " Tipherèt" which in turn is associated with the Tetragrammaton itself which is vocalized " Yehôvah ".
That's the name that the Jews have never forgotten it is preserved in the Siddurim ,codices ,...but you know what they don't pronounce it the way it is written , instead they read Adonay and behave the name as if it bears the letters and vowels of Adonay. This is something people will never understand !
This YaHWèh is just a fabrication ! This is unknown to the Jews !nope !
You should be or need to be more vigilant. You were deceived and are believing in the devilish theory you wrote through your posts above , that's a satanic trap. Unfortunately, you are believing in that theory invented by the spirit of the Devil, not a theory from the Holy Spirit, who is the third among the three in heavenly places in Christ - Ephesians 1:v.3.

The TETRAGRAMMATON has nothing to do with the NAME of the Word-i.e. GOD, GOD the Father, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, the Word made flesh.

Actually the names you are bring in your posts above are satanic NAMES of the Devil, father of the Jews, as JESUS said-John 8:v.44-45-. THE SEVERAL NAMES INVENTED AND NAMED BY THE DEVIL FOR THE TRUE GOD, are a mokery.

The current fictitious, and false, and satanic NAMES named by the Devil to the true GOD, these names were created by the Jews according their satanic father, the Devil, and not by the Spirit of GOD, the Holy Spirit. And the ficticious or pseudo-names invented by the Devil are:

- Jehovah, name of the Devil, not a name of true GOD, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ;
- Yahweh, name of the Devil;
- HaShem, name of the Devil;
- Adonai, name of the Devil;
- Yehovah, name of the Devil;
- Elohim, name of the Devil;
- YHWH name of the Devil;
- YEHÔshia YEHÔvah", name of the Devil.

all names above listed are fictitious names which the spirit of Devil invented for surreptitiously to apply to the Father of JESUS, the Word, the Word is GOD. The esoteric, and kabbalistic and SPIRITIST Jews, followers of the demonic and esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST Judaism, in fact a disguised SPIRITISM, they are followers of that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, who rules and guides the Jewish people by his spirit, the spirit of lie - John 8:v.44-45 combined with John 5:v.43 to 47. https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/three-unclean-spirits-like-frogs-why-frogs.2438/

By the way, my dear brother in Christ, Jakewilson, in his post #9 wrote: "I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic sources (?) "Yehovah", "Yehovih", et al. are considered sacred names in Kabbalah, so what?
 
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Steven Avery

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Oseas, any more posts like this will simply be deleted.

Jehovah (Yehovah) is the true name of God, the Tetragram.

We don't mind counterpoint, but not your satanic blah blah.
Time is too valuable, the discoveries are too wonderful.
 

Nash88

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You should be or need to be more vigilant. You were deceived and are believing in the devilish theory you wrote through your posts above , that's a satanic trap. Unfortunately, you are believing in that theory invented by the spirit of the Devil, not a theory from the Holy Spirit, who is the third among the three in heavenly places in Christ - Ephesians 1:v.3.

The TETRAGRAMMATON has nothing to do with the NAME of the Word-i.e. GOD, GOD the Father, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, the Word made flesh.

Actually the names you are bring in your posts above are satanic NAMES of the Devil, father of the Jews, as JESUS said-John 8:v.44-45-. THE SEVERAL NAMES INVENTED AND NAMED BY THE DEVIL FOR THE TRUE GOD, are a mokery.

The current fictitious, and false, and satanic NAMES named by the Devil to the true GOD, these names were created by the Jews according their satanic father, the Devil, and not by the Spirit of GOD, the Holy Spirit. And the ficticious or pseudo-names invented by the Devil are:

- Jehovah, name of the Devil, not a name of true GOD, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ;
- Yahweh, name of the Devil;
- HaShem, name of the Devil;
- Adonai, name of the Devil;
- Yehovah, name of the Devil;
- Elohim, name of the Devil;
- YHWH name of the Devil;
- YEHÔshia YEHÔvah", name of the Devil.

all names above listed are fictitious names which the spirit of Devil invented for surreptitiously to apply to the Father of JESUS, the Word, the Word is GOD. The esoteric, and kabbalistic and SPIRITIST Jews, followers of the demonic and esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST Judaism, in fact a disguised SPIRITISM, they are followers of that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, who rules and guides the Jewish people by his spirit, the spirit of lie - John 8:v.44-45 combined with John 5:v.43 to 47. https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/three-unclean-spirits-like-frogs-why-frogs.2438/

By the way, my dear brother in Christ, Jakewilson, in his post #9 wrote: "I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic sources (?) "Yehovah", "Yehovih", et al. are considered sacred names in Kabbalah, so what?
Yehovih is a name of God in Kabbalah just like Adonay and Èlohim but but but the Shèm Hameforash ,the Great name ,the Shèm Kadôsh has always been
" Yehôvah" , associated with the sixth sefirah " Tiferèt".
This is also the name of the Messiah in the world to come.
 

Oseas

Member
Oseas, any more posts like this will simply be deleted.

Jehovah (Yehovah) is the true name of God, the Tetragram.

We don't mind counterpoint, but not your satanic blah blah.
Time is too valuable, the discoveries are too wonderful.
Dear Steven,

JESUS said: John 17:v.5-6
5 - Now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

JESUS NEVER said "Jehovah (Yehovah) is the true name of God, the Tetragram". It's you are saying that.

JESUS also said: Matthew 10:v.24-25:

24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
 

Oseas

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Yehovih is a name of God in Kabbalah just like Adonay and Èlohim but but but the Shèm Hameforash ,the Great name ,the Shèm Kadôsh has always been
" Yehôvah" , associated with the sixth sefirah " Tiferèt".
This is also the name of the Messiah in the world to come.
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, who was made flesh and manifested Himself by the NAME of JESUS. He
is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: (Why?) for there is none other NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:v.11-12. So, what is the NAME of the Word, the Father of JESUS?

There are SEVERAL names invented as being of GOD, in fact a mokery, invented by the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST Jewish guides, and about them all JESUS said: Matthew 23:v.33 - 36:

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (John, the Baptist, said the same to the Jews)

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.


For this cause GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth (believed not in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness. As JESUS said: I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER (a false messiah, an IMPOSTER, the Beast of the earth having two horns-symbol of two kingdoms) shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (In fact, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST messiah, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders - he is SPIRITIST-), How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? - 2 Thessalonians 2, combined with John 5:v.43 to 47 -

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.
 
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Nash88

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What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, who was made flesh and manifested Himself by the NAME of JESUS. He
is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: (Why?) for there is none other NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:v.11-12. So, what is the NAME of the Word, the Father of JESUS?

There are SEVERAL names invented as being of GOD, in fact a mokery, invented by the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST Jewish guides, and about them all JESUS said: Matthew 23:v.33 - 36:

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (John, the Baptist, said the same to the Jews)

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.


For this cause GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth (believed not in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness. As JESUS said: I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER (a false messiah, an IMPOSTER, the Beast of the earth having two horns-symbol of two kingdoms) shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (In fact, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST messiah, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders - he is SPIRITIST-), How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? - 2 Thessalonians 2, combined with John 5:v.43 to 47 -

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.
Doesn't mean that the Jews have forgotten how to utter the name of God
They have preserved it nicely in their writings ,yup even in Kabbalah ( that means " to receive " ) associated with the 6th sefirah " Tiferèt".
In kabbalah you have " Yôhewahe , Yuhuwuhu , Yahawaha ,..." but that's not the Tetragrammaton .
Thé shèm Hameforash is strongly associated with " Tiferèt" = Yéhôwah .
 

Nash88

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Thanks!

Can you point me to the specific video and spot?

Yes, I am a strong believer that the blood of Jesus had a spiritual imperative to land on the mercy seat. This was first pointed out to me by an anti-missionary, Moshe Shulman, in a semi-mocking way, about 1995 on an internet forum, likely before I knew of Ron Wyatt.

Also smelled the sulphur at Michael Rood's house (where Nehemia gave his first Yehovah teaching in 2002.)
Nice Midrash found in " Ein Yaakov" , on Job 38:7 .
"Ein Yaakov (“Well of Jacob”‎) is a multivolume compilation of stories, parables, and biblical interpretation from the Babylonian Talmud printed together with commentaries. Rabbi Yaakov ibn Habib began compiling and editing it in the early 16th century in the wake of the expulsion of Jews from Spain. After his death, his son, Rabbi Levi ibn Habib completed the work. With its accessible content and style, the Ein Yaakov has enjoyed wide appeal for centuries among both scholars and laymen and has been printed in over 30 editions This edition was first published in Chicago in 1921 by Rabbi Shmuel Tzvi-Hirsch Glick. It includes Rabbi Glick's translation and footnotes but doesn't include the commentaries that appear in the classic version. The release and digitization of this book were kindly sponsored by Fred and Joyce Claar."

Here is the Midrash :

"R. Akiba said: "I once asked Rabban Gamaliel and R. Joshua while we were at the meat-market of Imum, when they went to buy meat for the feast of the son of Rabban Gamaliel, it is written (Gen. 32, 32) And the sun rose unto him as he passed by Penuel; did then the sun only rise to him? Behold it rose to the whole world? R. Isaac said that the sun which was set for his sake rose now for him, for it is written (Ib. 28, 10) And Jacob went out from BeerSheba and went towards Charan, and further it says, And he lighted (Vayifga) upon a certain place and tarried there all night, because the sun was set. When he reached Charan, he said: "Is it right of me not to have prayed when I passed the place my parents passed?" He resolved to return, and soon after his resolution, the earth jumped and he met Bethel. He wanted to return after he prayed, but the Holy One, praised be He! however, said: "This upright came to my inn and he should go away without staying over night." Immediately thereupon the sun was set. It is written (Ib. 28, 2) And he took from the stones of the place, and again it is written (Ib. ib. 18) And he took the stone (singular). Said R. Isaac: "From this it may be inferred that all these stones gathered themselves together into one place, as if each were eager that the saint should lay his hand upon it." We are taught that all the stones were swallowed up by one another, and thus merged into one stone.(Ib.) And he said: 'Let me go, for the day breaketh.' Jacob then said to the angel: "Art thou then a thief or a murderer that thou fearest daybreak?" "I am an angel," came the reply, "and since I have been created I never had a chance to recite a song of praise but now." This will support R. Chananel, who said in the name of Rab, that three classes of ministering angels recite a song of praise every day. One class says, Holy! The second responds, Holy! And the third continues, Holy is the Lord of Hosts! The following contradictions were introduced from a Baraitha: Israel is beloved before the Holy One, praised be He! even more so than the ministering angels; for Israel reiterates the song every hour, while the ministering angels repeat it only once a day, according to some once a week, others again say, once a month, still according to others, only once a year. There are others who say once in seven years, and according to still others, once in a jubilee, and other authorities say, only once in eternity.

AGAIN, ISRAEL MENTIONS THE TETRAGRAMMATON AFTER TWO WORDS, AS THE PASSAGE SAYS (DEUT. 6, 4) HEAR, ISRAEL YEHOVA,
but THE MINISTERING ANGELS DO NOT MENTION THE TETRAGRAMMATON TILL AFTER THREE WORDS, AS IT IS WRITTEN (IS. 6, 3) HOLY, HOLY, HOLY! YEHOVA TZEBAOTH.
Moreover, the ministering angels do not start the song above till Israel has started it below; for it is said (Job 38, 7) When the morning stars sang together, and afterwards it says, Then all the sons of God shouted for joy. [Hence how can Rab state that the angels say Holy Tzebaoth and mention the Tetragrammaton after one word?]
We must therefore explain that Rab meant thus: One class says, Holy! The second, Holy! Holy! and the third says, HOLY! HOLY! HOLY! YEHOVA TZEBAOTH.
But there is also the praise Baruch [where the Tetragrammaton is mentioned after two words]? (Fol. 92) The praise Baruch, belongs to the angels Ofan [that are part of the Divine throne]. You may also explain that after the Tetragrammaton it is mentioned that the angels themselves have the privilege of repeating it at their own option."

Midrash Yov 38 :7 , Ein Yaaqov (Glick edition) ,chullin 7:3
 

Nash88

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Hebrew Grammar rules are not a priori, they were discovered using the textual data in retrospect, just as the scientists and engineers derive laws of Physics and Engineering correlations based on observed data.
Just as in Physics where not every observation fits these empirical laws, SO ALSO IN HEBREW NOT EVERY WORD OR CLAUSE IN THE TEXTUAL BASE SATISFIES THE ACCEPTED GRAMMATICAL RULES.
It looks like every single rule of Grammar has an exception.
There are many such cases even in Physics and Mathematics. There are some numbers called “irrational numbers”. They don’t follow any known pattern, and the next digit has to be calculated always (example, pi and e). It can’t be predicted using rules. There are many such phenomena.
The fact is, the Divine Name with sheva-cholam-kamatz is in the text, besides other vocalisations. Whether they are the vowels of Adonai is a conjecture, that may be true, and may not be.
Every scholarly objection to sheva-cholam-kamatz can be explained. It doesn’t mean it’s definite, but there is no real basis to claim authoritatively that sheva-cholam-kamatz are definitely NOT the vowels of the Divine Name.
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Nash88

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However in Rabbinical tradition like for example in the Zohar , the Tetragrammaton is found in the Partzuf of Zeir Anpin i.e the sefirah Tiferèt which corresponds to : " Ha Kadosh Baruch Hu , The Great name ,...".
It's the contraction of the 03 forms of the verb to be going " Hayah Hôwèh Yihyèh " => Y"hôw" ah probably ponounced as
" Yahôwoh "
 
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