COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless - factcheck by imbeciles - Torsten and Konstantin check the papers and labs

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COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless
Though the whole world relies on RT-PCR to “diagnose” Sars-Cov-2 infection, the science is clear: they are not fit for purpose
Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter
June 27, 2020
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

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The first absurd factcheck is this one:

Politifact - July 7, 2020
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-19-tests-are-not-scientifically-meaningless/

OffGuardian makes several other inaccurate claims in its article, including:
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Between 22% and 77% "of the ‘positive’ tests are false ‘positives.’"
Currently, about 92% of tests in the United States produce negative results.

Open letter: Refuting Politifact's 'fact check' of OffGuardian COVID article
Torsten Engelbrecht
July 31, 2020

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Dear Torsten Engelbrecht,

Thanks!
And I found this article because I was looking up a "fact-check"!

Politifact - July 7, 2020
OffGuardian makes several other inaccurate claims in its article, including: .....
Between 22% and 77% "of the ‘positive’ tests are false ‘positives.’"
Currently, about 92% of tests in the United States produce negative results

Beyond the misquoting you highlight, there is an epic fail of Logic 101.

Politifact has to be a special type of stupid to think that the % of negative results can ever make the false positive number inaccurate!

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This Torsten article was linked to by Rosemary Frei

Fact-Checking a “Fact-Checker”: A Response to HealthFeedback.org
August 6, 2020

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Penny Wittbrodt
Aug 10, 2020 6:50 AM

" I was only 49 when I got sick. (I refused hospitalization and ventilator, it was clear both were killing people.) ... . I couldn’t even get medical care as anyone with anything that sounded like covid was refused medical care, unless willing to take their life in their hands and go to the emergency room, where one was almost certain to be placed on a ventilator to die a mechanical death under heavy sedation with little else to aid recovery. "
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This next area needs checking or fixing.

Y T
Jul 12, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
From my research not one scientist has explained the mechanism in how a virus enters the body and into a host cell. Explain how genetic material wrapped in a protein case, which that in itself is benign, enter the body, bypassing all the other defence mechanisms of the body, like bacteria on our skin, mucus barriers, and digestive tract (full of other bacteria i.e. immune system) and somehow after all that can then make you ill. It’s just genetic material, which is just information. The works of Bechamp, Enderlein, Naessens and other contemporaries of Bechamp found that these “germs” were already in the body and stemmed from Microzymas and depending on the terrain of the body would depend on what these organisms morphed into i.e. pleomorphism.
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As explained above I do not deny microorganisms or their effect on the body, but I do believe that it is dependent on the health of the body which determine what the microorganisms do. It’s nothing to do with an external bacterial or viral “attack”. Bacteria are the recyclers of the planet, they break down dying material. So the same goes for when the body is in a dying state caused by all sorts of environmental toxins (but not limited to i.e. Unhealthy mental state). So when the body sends out the signal to repair these organisms change to recycle or rid the dead cells or toxins.

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No, I do not accept the current theory of how viruses enter host cells as they cannot directly know this, because ‘viral’ material can only be viewed on an electron microscope, which cannot show live events and with which requires all sorts of processing of the samples that cause effects that skew the outcome. The establishment even admit themselves that it is poorly understood. Below is an excerpt from a book which can better explain:

The description of a virus as inert means that it lacks the ability to move by itself. This lack of self-propelled motion is acknowledged by the medical establishment that refers to viruses as ‘not motile’. Nevertheless, they attempt to explain the apparent ability of viruses to ‘move’ and be transmitted between people by the claim that they ride, or ‘hitchhike’ on various other particles that can travel through the environment. This ‘ride’ is said to cease when the virus particle makes contact with a new host to ‘infect’. The problem with this explanation is that it fails to explain how a virus escapes from the host cell if it is ‘not motile’. It also fails to explain how the ‘virus’ is able to find and ‘hitch’ itself to the appropriate particle that is going to be ejected from the body during a sneeze or a cough. The second question requires an explanation of the method by which a virus is claimed to be able to ‘infect’ a cell. The web page of UCMP (University of California Museum of Paleontology) Berkeley entitled Introduction to Viruses, states that, “When it comes into contact with a host cell, a virus can insert its genetic material into its host…” The purported mechanism is described in a little more detail in a July 2007 article entitled, Imaging Poliovirus Entry in Live Cells, the abstract of which begins, “Viruses initiate infection by transferring their genetic material across a cellular membrane and into the appropriate compartment of the cell.” This ‘insertion’ or ‘transfer’ assumes that the virus takes an active part in these mechanisms, but the idea that a virus can be active is contradicted by Dr Margulis and others who state categorically that a virus is inert outside of a living cell. The 2007 article makes the highly revealing statement that, “The mechanisms by which animal viruses, especially non enveloped viruses, deliver their genomes are only poorly understood.” The article also reveals that, “How non enveloped viruses, such as poliovirus, enter target cells is not well understood.” These statements are not only profoundly revealing but also astounding, considering that the idea of ‘viral infection’ rests on the theory that viruses enter cells in order to cause disease. These statements clearly demonstrate how little is actually known about viruses and their alleged mechanism of action in causing an ‘infection’. It should be obvious that a great deal of the ‘information’ about viruses promulgated by the medical establishment is based on a collection of unproven assumptions and suppositions. The lack of known facts about viruses can be demonstrated by the example of a cold ‘virus’ that is claimed to be transmitted via saliva or mucous particles when a person sneezes or coughs. These particles are said to be inhaled by another person, who then becomes ‘infected’ by the virus, which travels through the person’s body to the appropriate cells of their lung tissues. The transmission of any viral particle attached to saliva or mucous travelling through the air has never been observed; viral particles are only ever observed in a laboratory under an electron microscope. The transmission of viruses in the air is an assumption; as is their ability to travel through a human body. – What Really Makes You Ill: why everything you thought you knew about disease is wrong by David Parker and Dawn Lester

The only way scientists of today can get a virus into the body and into a cell is to inject them with a vaccine. Now they are talking of electroporation vaccines that open up the cell and inject rna/dna directly. It’s funny how they have patents for coronaviruses. Just like Monsanto, eventually the medical establishment will own people and future generations because of their genetic modification attempts.
ilona
Aug 7, 2020 4:24 AM

Reply to Y T

when I was about 9, the term used was not vaccination, or vaccinated, but rather, immunization or immunized. when I was immunized against polio, I was given a pink sugared liquid to drink, which contained a highly diluted minute amount of live polio; enough to trigger my body to make antibodies to polio, but not enough to cause me to come down with polio. as a result of my drinking a live sample of polio, i have natural antibodies which reproduce, which made my immune system stronger than it was ,granting me permanent immunity to polio with no ill effects. the new patented polio vaccine came out when I was older, and was not made using a live polio sample, and it required an injection into the body. we were told that the reason for not using a live sample was because when a live sample was used, in rare instances, it was possible for a small part of the population to come down with a mild case of polio. the new vaccines usually require boosters. we did not require boosters back then, these man made vaccines are not naturally occuring substances. they are not in harmony with the body. they interfere with the way a normal healthy immune system operates. they, in my opinion, should be defined as a poison.

They are purported to work in that way. The corona virus vaccines they tested in 2012 on ferrets induced a strong antibody response. However, when they encountered the wild virus they underwent what is termed a “paradoxical immune response.” Their immune system went bonkers and they all died from severe inflammation of the lungs. The vaccine killed them, not the virus. Scientists believe this happened because the vaccine induced a different kind of antibody called binding antibodies which actually create a pathway for the disease in the body.
The new RNA/DNA vaccines will take this to the next level.
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Tom_12
Jul 7, 2020 7:40 AM

Reply to Rhys Jaggar

“The fatality curves are certainly consistent with a viral infection”
They were heavily influenced by incorrect treatment DESPITE the fact that months earlier best treatment methods were known. Highly suspicious “herding” of Positive patients with truely sick ones. Then we have the old age homes and how things were done there.
Sorry but the numbers are to some extent inflated. Something we will not be able to undo to see the real picture.
SATS-CoV2 is a geopolitical virus being played on the minds of the uninformed Public. Kids wearing those deadly masks in 28C in the Open Air is a crime !!!!
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Rachel
Jul 4, 2020 11:16 AM

Reply to Marc Wathelet
young medical people died who were in good health? people in good health dont generally die. more like they were sick of the food in the hospital canteen and then terrified by the covid cults fear porn. when this led to symptoms they were given dangerous treatments leading to more dangerous treatments and death. course the young doctors were in quite a predicament because the cult was itching to prove how deadly the virus was, even for young “healthy” doctors.
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Nenad
Aug 14, 2020 4:15 AM

Reply to Marc Wathelet
I am sorry, but as a molecular and cell biologist and physiologist who worked in a quite a few labs as a research assistant during my doctorate studies (Yale MB&B, NYU Sackler Sch Med, CWRU Sch Med Dept Neurosci, and several moecular genetics and immunology institues in Belgrade, Serbia), I still don’t understand, honestly, because I never worked with eukaryotic viruses, HOW the highly infected person cannot present in their secretions the enormous load of viral particles that should be directly seen using modern optical techiques, of which that are many nowadays, not just EM or Immuno EM?

Why is it preposterous what Dejoos said? I mean, sure you can use the cell cultures of some abnormal, immortalized cells that are hybridomas with cancerous cells, and treat them with growth factos and what not, later in specific experiments, but the humanity that is exposed to unprecedented loss of oxygen, movement, smiles, hugs, jobs, food, medical care for all the diseases (some extremely difficult and lethal) but one mild disease, that Humanity needs the first answers first, in order to justify this tremendous suffering caused by the medical and scientific profession and politicians.
The first answer should be: show me the virus isolated directly, as done for so many other viruses (or not?, this is what I was told, at least but I never checked the facts), and prove to me, using sound science (some of which you deescribed as loss-of- function experiements, but prior to that – showing the ability to cause certain well defined disease by a single purified pathogen). Was all of this actually, I mean actually, done for human viruses? Fore some and not for others? For only few? For none? I really don’t know.

Working with bacteriophages for a peirod in my carrier, I have all the indirect proof that they exist and its overwhelming, so I understand your point and how you feel when your area of expertise is under doubts of laymen. But with prokaryotes it is relatively easy to quickly and cleanly convince yourself that it all adds up to a self-coherent model (which may not necessarily be true, since there always can be a different self-coherent model that explains the same phenomena equally well or better). And also, the phages can be easily isolated DIRECTLY from the infected bacteria with no addition of anything but the normal medium in which those bacteria grow. AND there are clean and unabiguous electron micrographs. Now, what they actually DO in the bacteria, when they are in the lysogenic cycle – we don’t fully understand, but they may not be pathogens at all. They do have some evolutionary role. If we don’t look at the level of a single bacterium, but at the level of bacterial networks, if these networks contain phages, then we don’t know if the phages are infecting the network from the outside, as parasites, or they actually live as a part of that network all the time and thus can be considered as a normal part of a higher level organism.

And just let me remind you, many times people that are out of field have clearer insights about real world phenomena than the experts within the field, because the latter are too involved in the closed mindset of the colleagues. So every now and them it is worth stopping and listening to some fresh viewpoints coming from the outside world. Some are so obviously off-track (and even what is “obvious” is relative to the mindset of an expert) but many may have a point.
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Ir b
Jul 2, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to Marc Wathelet

Have you heard of the connection between the prevotella bacteria and covid-19 symptoms? Which is what makes hydrochloroquine and z-pack effective in covid patients. I would suggest researching is as many of the supposed covid symptoms are actually symptoms of bacterial infection caused by prevotella.
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Bo Ptah
Aug 16, 2020 1:01 PM

Reply to Rog
In actual fact. the science points to the cells making virus;s as an immune response and not an external attack. there is no proof that a virus can infect anyone , despite many studies. However, a virus is shown in many studies to be seen exiting cells. but not entering them.
 
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Willem

Jun 27, 2020 8:06 PM

So what is Covid19?
Hypothesis: a combination of diseases that have been around for ages.
How to test that hypothesis? – go back to the patient charts and the blood samples that were taken at time of ‘Covid19 diagnosis’ and see what the actual disease status was if doctors were not taken into thinking that Covid19 existed and explained every shortness of breath or a cough

What will you find:
All those who survived without any problem had common cold

And those who were hospitalized/died had
Pneumonia
COPD excacerbation
Viral pneumonia (not further specified, perhaps common cold or influenza)
End stage organ disease
Pulmonary embolism
Or a combination of these 5 diseases

But since treating pneumonia, COPD excacerbation, end stage organ disease or pulmonary embolism with ventilation and isolation only is medical malpractice, rest assure that the physicians themselves (and the hospitals that fear law suits and bad publicity) never ever are going to look into this unless the hospital is forced (by law or politics) that someone looks into this malpractice. The so called ‘experts’ won’t do it either since they already took position into the idea that Covid19 is real, and since experts can never be wrong (or so they think) they will not change their thinking either.

It still might happen though, depending on how much willingness there is amongst the PTB to see a second wave. If they want to see a second wave, nothing will happen (and the Covid19 charade will repeat itself during autumn/winter when pneumonia, viral pneumonia, pulmonary embolism and COPD excacerbation are most prevalent) But if the PTB do not want a second wave, we might see some investigations.

Of course I would love to say that it is not up to the PTB to decide on this issue, and I might be too pessimistic here. But given the success rate of the Covid19 narrative thus far, I don’t think that anyone outside the MSM or anyone who does not have the backing of a very powerful mecenas, has a chance to do anything about the unfolding Covid19 scam.

It’s the old Cassandra syndrome problem we are facing here, which I BTW first heard of when I saw the film Twelve Monkeys, as a teenager in a drive-in theater when it was just out (1995) and where I was completely overwhelmed by the idea that such persons had existed since Greek mythology. Those were the days…
Harvesta Strong

Jun 27, 2020 8:23 PM
KARY BANKS MULLIS: “Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron. PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral-load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to [a specific virus].”
“The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.”
The “test” is pseuodoscience. The perfectly hidden goals via daily scripted news is to get unfettered facial, biological, genetic, mental data from every citizen to use in combination with the rapidly emerging IOT tech infrastructure by targeting and triggering *healthy* people into a false fear response of a preditor which has no empirical or sensory data available for benchmarking reality.
https://ttfuture.org/blog/michael/why-coronavirus-will-soon-vanish-overnight
Bettynho Zirigdum

Jun 27, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to Frank Underling

It was never isolated/purified, genome sequencing is not isolation.
RNA is produced by pretty much all living cells, and without purification you don’t even know if the genetic material is viral, let alone pathogenic.
lucky

Jul 1, 2020 11:37 PM
Reply to RobG

Lab designed mosquitoes would be a novel terror vector

The Florida Keys are one step closer to getting genetically modified mosquitoes
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article243636057.html )
 
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