Jesus in the Talmud - Toledot Yeshu - Zohar - closed mem and virgin birth of Messiah

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Robert Travers Herford (1860-1950)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Travers_Herford

George Robert Stow Mead - (1863-1933)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._R._S._Mead

Bernhard Pick (1842-1917)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Pick

Heinrich Laible fl. 1891-1920
Jesus Christus im Thalmud, mit einem anhange: Die thalmudischen texte
by Heinrich Laible
https://archive.org/details/jesuschristusimt0000laib
(more below in German section)

Hermann Leberecht Strack (6 May 1848 – 5 October 1922) was a German Protestant theologian and orientalist;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Strack

Daniel Boyarin (b. 1946)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boyarin

Gustaf Hermann Dalman (1855-1941)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustaf_Dalman

Professor Catherine Hezser
http://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff31101.php

Dan Jaffe (b. 1970)
https://www.babelio.com/auteur/Dan-Jaffe/246526

Craig Alan Evans (b. 1952)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_A._Evans

Peter Schäfer (b. 1943)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schäfer

Daniel Barbu
https://cnrs.academia.edu/DanielBarbu

Mika Ahuvia

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Wikipedia
Jesus in the Talmud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

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Facebook
Patristics for Protestants
https://www.facebook.com/groups/884..._id=1607947593876605&notif_t=group_highlights

BCHF
Historicist Bias With Respect to the Jewish Reports About Jesus
http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3303&sid=b9bc9da8be0d3498129661636ea4c564

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Jesus Christ in the Talmud, Midrash, Zohar, and the liturgy of the synagogue (1893)
Gustaf Dalman (combines Dalman and Laible per Evans) translated by A. W. Streane
https://archive.org/details/cu31924074488150
https://books.google.com/books?id=p0nuAgAAQBAJ
https://archive.org/details/jesuschristintal0000dalm

Christianity in Talmud and Midrash - (1903)
Robert Travers Herford
http://books.google.com/books/about/Christianity_in_Talmud_and_Midrash.html?id=tA9WAAAAMAAJ
https://archive.org/details/christianityinta00herfuoft
http://juchre.org/herford/herford.htm
http://www.heartofisrael.net/chazak/articles/intalmud.htm - abridged

Did Jesus live 100 B.C.? : an enquiry into the Talmud Jesus stories, the Toldoth Jeschu, and some curious statements of Epiphanius--being a contribution to the study of Christian origins (1903)
George Robert Stow Mead
https://archive.org/details/didjesuslive100b00meaduoft

Princeton Theological Review (1906)
Review of Herford book
http://www.biblicaltheology.org/1906_5.pdf
It should be added that, according to a note on page 35, the author professes to have done no more in the section relating to Jesus, than to rearrange the material and modify some of the conclusions of Laible’s work, Jesus Christus im Talmud (1871) ? 1891?

Jesus in the Talmud; his personality, his disciples and his sayings (1913)
Bernhard Pick
https://archive.org/details/jesusintalmudhis00pick
https://x.com/roygbivgasoline/status/2011577377839857704?s=61


Jesus in Non-Christian Sources (1993)
Craig A. Evans
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...893_s019.xml&usg=AOvVaw1j-Ra1ICydNtBV4zcyJnu7
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...vans/e478c2994308d8eace9f20b2371c5314b2aa106c
The volumes by Dalman and Laible have been combined and translated as Jesus Christ in the Talmud, Midrash, Zohar, and the Liturgy of the Synagogue (trans. A. W. Streane, with contributions by B. H. Streeter; Cambridge: Deighton, Bell, 1893; 2nd ed., 1900; repro New York: Arno, 1973).

Jesus in the Talmud (2009)
Peter Schäfer
https://books.google.com/books?id=T0lQRfBHGyIC&pg=PA145

Toledot Yeshu (The Life Story of Jesus) Revisited (2011)
archive.org

Toledot Yeshu (The Life Story of Jesus) Revisited : Yaacov Deutsch : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Texts and Studies in Ancient Judaism / Texte Und Studien Zum Antiken Judentum (Book 143)
archive.org
archive.org

Toledot Yeshu (The Life Story of Jesus) Revisited : Yaacov Deutsch : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Texts and Studies in Ancient Judaism / Texte Und Studien Zum Antiken Judentum (Book 143)
archive.org
epdf.pub

Toledot Yeshu (''The Life Story of Jesus'') Revisited - PDF Free Download

Table of Contents Acknowledgments. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...
epdf.pub epdf.pub
Peter Schafer, bom 1943; Perelman Professor of Jewish Studies and Professor of Religion, Princeton University; since 2005 Director, Program in Judaic Studies, Princeton University; 1994 Leibniz Preis; 2007 Mellon Distinguished Achievement Award.
Michael Meerson, bom 1973; Ph.D. Bar Ilan University; worked at the Israel Antiquities Authority as an archaeologist and epigraphist; since 2004 senior researcher at Princeton University.
Yaacov Deutsch, bom 1966; PhD Hebrew University, Jerusalem; currently adjunct lecturer at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, and executive director of the World Union of Jewish Studies.
Editors
Peter Schafer (Princeton, NJ)
Annette Y. Reed (Philadelphia, PA)
Seth Schwartz (New York, NY)
Azzan Yadin (New Brunswick, NJ)
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The Virgin Birth of Jesus in the Talmudic Context (2013)
A Philological and Historical Analysis
Dan Jaffe
https://www.erudit.org/en/journals/ltp/2012-v68-n3-ltp0550/1015256ar/

An Introduction to Toledot Yeshu (2014)
by Mika Ahuvia
https://www.ancientjewreview.com/read/2014/12/25/a-quick-introduction-to-toledot-yeshu

Daniel Barbu, "Some Remarks on Toledot Yeshu (The Jewish Life of Jesus) in Early Modern Europe," JRFM 5.1 (2019): 29-45.
https://www.academia.edu/39139248/D...us_in_Early_Modern_Europe_JRFM_5_1_2019_29_45


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German

Jesus Christus im Thalmud (1891)
Mit einem Anhang: die thalmudischen Texte,
mitgeteilt von Gustaf Dalman.
Heinrich Laible
https://books.google.com/books?id=MPEVAAAAYAAJ
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100434567
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100535775 (1900)
1901 review
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/477805

Jesus, die Häretiker und die Christen : nach den ältesten jüdischen Angaben / Texte, Übersetzung und Erläuterungen (1910)
by Hermann L. Strack.
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009032105

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Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Tryphon

Dialogue between Jason and Papiscos on Jesus, (lost)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_of_Jason_and_Papiscus

Origen
Commentary on John
Contra Celsum

Tertullian - (2nd century? per Jaffe)

Epiphanius - Adversus Haereses III, 78, 7,

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Ascension of Isaiah

Protevangelium of James 11:2-3

Odes of Solomon 19:6,

Gospel of Bartholomew 2:20

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Jewish foreknowledge of the virgin birth - the closed mem of Isaiah 9

God, the Rabbis and the Virgin Birth (2018-recent edition)
Daniel Gruber
https://www.amazon.com/Rabbis-Virgin-Birth-Daniel-Gruber/dp/1514209756/
https://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/9781514209752utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc

The Insight of Unbelievers: Nicholas of Lyra and Christian Reading of Jewish Text in the Later Middle Ages (2008)
Deeana Copeland Klepper
https://www.amazon.com/Insight-Unbe...tian-Contexts/dp/0812220218#reader_0812220218
p. 99

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The Mystery Of The Closed Mem
Daniel Botkin
https://jewishroots.net/library/prophecy/isaiah/isaiah-9-6/the_mystery_of_the_closed_mem_2.pdf

An Accidental Typo in the Bible – or a Clue About Messiah?
ONE FOR ISRAEL
January 7, 2019
https://www.oneforisrael.org/messia...al-typo-in-the-bible-or-a-clue-about-messiah/

The Closed 'Mem' (Womb) of the Virgin
John David Pitcher Jr., MD
https://jerusalemchannel.tv/closed-mem-womb-virgin/

Explaining the Mystery of the Closed Mem
Jerry Healan
 
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Christopher de Hamel

PBF
The Manuscripts Club: The People Behind a Thousand Years of Medieval Manuscripts by Christopher de Hamel - it does not look to modern eyes to be older
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...k-to-modern-eyes-to-be-older.3622/#post-15077

p. 487 highlights OCR
Another forgery of the same momentous year attempted to debunk Christianity from a supposed manuscript source: the Wichtige historische Enthullungen uber die wiridiche Todesart Jesu, Leipzig, 1859,
Wichtige, Historische Enthüllungen über Die Wirkliche Todesart Jesu. Sechste Auflage
https://books.google.com/books?id=qW4VuQEACAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://archive.org/details/bib_fict_4103026
went through at least six editions, claiming to publish an ancient manuscript found in a cave in Alexandria showing that the Resurrection was a hoax perpetrated by the Essenes; it was later shown to derive from a novel published in 1800 (Freeman, Bibliotheca Fictiva, pp. 354-5, nos. 1387-9).

(Can see this at Vassar)
 
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Candace Owen’s cites Peter Schafer

There have been a lot of recent debates surrounding what is or is not in the Talmud.
Peter Schafer, the former director of Judaic Studies at Princeton made this information publicly available.
I take great issue with any person who purports to be a Christian, defending the Talmud.
Our Lord and Savior is not in hell boiling in excrement.
For clarity, this passage is taken from the book I recommended yesterday, Bearing False Witness by Rodney Stark.
Every Christian should read it.

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Peter Schäfer (b. 1943)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schäfer

AI Overview
Peter Schäfer was a prominent Jewish Studies professor at Princeton University (Ronald O. Perelman Chair) known for his extensive research on Rabbinic Judaism, especially his influential book Jesus in the Talmud, exploring Talmudic views on Jesus and early Christianity, though he has since retired from Princeton and directed the Jewish Museum in Berlin, maintaining ties to research in Berlin. He's a leading scholar of ancient Judaism, Jewish mysticism, and Jewish magic, known for rigorous, accessible scholarship.

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Bearing false witness : debunking centuries of anti-Catholic history (2016)
Rodney Stark
https://archive.org/details/bearingfalsewitn0000star

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From a Muslim skeptic blog
https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/11/16/ben-shapiro-triggered-jesus/

Well, as demonstrated by Jewish scholars who specialized in Kabbalah, such as Ellen Haskell, Daniel Matt, and Elliot Wolfson, the Balaam of the Zohar is a concealed reference to Jesus (peace be upon him), as the Kabbalists were unable to insult Christ publicly while living in what was still an overwhelmingly Christian Europe.
 
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Satirical ?? Naaahhhhhh

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Search instead for "toldet yeshu" "jesus" "talmud" "zohar"

AI Overview

Toledot Yeshu
(Life of Jesus) is a Jewish "counter-gospel" tradition, distinct from the canonical Gospels, offering a critical, often satirical, Jewish perspective on Jesus, drawing on and twisting figures and stories found in the Talmud (like the teacher Yeshu/Jesus with Joshua ben Perahyah) but evolving with unique narratives and chronology, with the Zohar later developing mystical interpretations, sometimes linking the biblical blasphemer story to Jesus and Mary, showing varied Jewish engagement with Jesus's story across different texts and eras.

Key Connections:
  • Toledot Yeshu & Talmud: Toledot Yeshu uses and adapts Talmudic elements, especially the figure of "Yeshu" (Jesus), but alters timelines and details, creating a separate narrative tradition that parodies Christian accounts and serves as a Jewish origin story for Jesus, evolving from ancient traditions found in the Talmud.
  • Toledot Yeshu & Jesus: The text presents a non-Christian life of Jesus, focusing on his scandalous birth, magical powers (using God's secret name), and eventual downfall, serving as a Jewish polemic against Christian beliefs.
  • Zohar & Jesus: The Zohar, a key Kabbalistic text, offers mystical interpretations, sometimes identifying Jesus as the blasphemer in Leviticus, linking him to Mary (as the Shekhinah), showing an ambivalent, mystical, and often critical Jewish view.
  • Evolution of Tradition: The Talmud contains scattered, often chronologically inconsistent, stories of Yeshu; Toledot Yeshu collects and expands these into a narrative; the Zohar adds mystical layers; all demonstrate evolving Jewish perspectives and traditions about Jesus over centuries.
In essence, the Talmud provides foundational (though fragmented) tales, Toledot Yeshu crafts these into a narrative counter-gospel, and the Zohar layers mystical interpretations, all interacting with the figure of Jesus from a non-Christian viewpoint.
 
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"toldet yeshu" "jesus" "talmud" "zohar"

Toldet Yeshu …

3-2020
Infancy Stories of Jesus: Apocrypha and Toledot Yeshu in Medieval Europe
Natalie Latteri
https://repository.usfca.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1011&context=thrs

The Alternative Chronology: Dating the Events of the Wagenseil Version of Toledot Yeshu
GAVIN MCDOWELL
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris, UMR 8167 Mondes Sémitiques.
https://hal.science/hal-03928867v1/document

Daniel Barbu and Yaacov Deutsch (eds.). Toledot Yeshu in Context: The Jewish “Life of Jesus” in Ancient, Medieval, and Modern History. Texts and Studies in Ancient Judaism 182. Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2020. VIII, 358 pages. 144,00 €, ISBN 978-3-16-159301-7
https://judaica.ch/article/view/8407/12276
Things are afoot in scholarship on the Toledot Yeshu, the unflattering medieval (?) compilation of ancient (?) Jewish traditions about Jesus of Nazareth. In 2014 Michael Meerson and Peter Schäfer published a new two-volume edition of the text, whose textual and codicological history is complex.1Three years previous, Schäfer, Meerson, and Yaacob Deutsch had published ‘the Princeton volume,’ i.e. Toledot Yeshu (“The Life Story of Jesus”) Revisited, another landmark in the study of the text.2Research continues apace.
 
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Gil Student and Toledot Yeshu
https://www.facebook.com/steven.ave...eWUUumpxZUBTFMiJhQXmABfDxFH189ZuDp13CPqLA29bl

Steven Avery
“embryonic counter-polemic”
Against Jesus.
Exactamente!
(Cutting through the blah-blah.)

Steven Avery
“What if the oldest manuscript we have (the Munich) has Jesus in several places, whereas every newer manuscript has the name Jesus missing?”

What Talmudic manuscripts (if any) have Jesus instead of Balaam? / What Does 'MS.M. Jesus' mean? (2016)
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/q...any-have-jesus-instead-of-balaam-what-does-ms

Filling some of the Gil Student gaps and omissions and spin.
Also this is a url that was a broken link above.

Jesus of Nazareth’s Trial in the Uncensored Talmud (2011)
David Instone-Brewer
https://www.tyndalebulletin.org/article/29322-jesus-of-nazareth-s-trial-in-the-uncensored-talmud
 
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