John's Gospel looks back to Luke's Gospel - David Trobisch

[Steven Avery]

The Gospel According to John in the Light of Marcion’s Gospelbook (2028)
By David J Trobisch

John's Gospel looks back to Luke's Gospel - David Trobisch

The Gospel According to John in the Light of Marcion’s Gospelbook (2028) By David J Trobisch https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/johns-gospel-looks-back-to-lukes-gospel.6330/ Trobisch makes reasonable points, Marcion is unimportant as is the "correction" motif.

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Trobisch makes reasonable points, Marcion is unimportant as is the "correction" motif.

 

[Steven Avery]

When Lazarus is introduced to the readers, he is introduced with language that assumes familiarity with his sisters Mary and Martha (Jn 11:1). 9

Now a certain man was ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha.

However, Mary and Martha are not mentioned before in the Gospel According to John, nor are they mentioned in Matthew or Mark. The Gospel According to Luke is the only one that mentions the sisters (Lk 10:38–39).

Now as they went on their way, he entered a certain village, where a woman named Martha welcomed him into her home. She had a sister named Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet and listened to what he was saying.

The Gospel According to John assumes that the readers are familiar with the Gospel According to Luke. The readers are supposed to remember the sisters.

The story of the woman anointing Jesus’ feet and the story of the miraculous catch of fish are both stories that are found in the Gospel According to Luke but not in Matthew and Mark, and they are referenced in the Fourth Gospel. As readers compare the versions they may recognize that the Gospel According to John does not simply repeat these stories, but uses the authority of the manuscript of the Beloved Disciple to correct important details.

9 Thyen, Erzählung

Whereas the story happens according to Luke during the Galilean period of Jesus’ ministry, according to the Beloved Disciple it happened six days before Jesus’ death. And his “testimonial” also declares that the place was not the home of a Pharisee in Galilee but the home of Lazarus in Bethany, a village just outside of Jerusalem. Most strikingly, the woman who anointed Jesus was not “a woman in the city who was a sinner” but it was Mary, the sister of Lazarus and Martha. These corrections strike at the trustworthiness of Luke’s sources.

According to the manuscript of the Beloved Disciple, Luke’s report of the miraculous catch of fish also misrepresents important details.

 

[Steven Avery]

did the Gospel of John look back for context to material that had been previously written in the Gospel of Luke ?

Most biblical scholars debate whether the Gospel of John directly used the Gospel of Luke, but a number of analyses suggest John may have known and presupposed Lukan material—such as overlapping figures like Mary, Martha, and Lazarus—while writing independently for a distinct theological purpose. [1, 2, 3]

Scholarly Perspectives

• Independent Tradition: Many experts argue John wrote from an independent eyewitness tradition, creating a distinct narrative without needing prior synoptic gospels like Luke. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Complementary Knowledge: Some textual parallels (such as specific character details unique to both Luke and John) lead researchers to suggest the author of John was familiar with Lukan stories and adjusted or supplemented them rather than strictly copying them. [1, 2]
• Theological Reordering: Where John does touch on shared context, he freely alters chronology and emphasizes higher divinity rather than historical sequencing found in Luke. [1, 2]

If you're interested, I can share:

• Specific passages and characters unique to both Luke and John
• The timeline differences in the Passion narratives

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