Luke 2:22 - her purification - the David Robert Palmer apparatus on Facebook NT Textual Criticism and questions and comments

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Luke 2:22 (AV)
And when the days of her purification
according to the law of Moses were accomplished,
they brought him to Jerusalem,
to present him to the Lord;

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Luke 2:22 - her purification
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Luke 2:22 - her purification - the David Robert Palmer apparatus on Facebook NT Textual Criticism and questions and comments
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July 2024 post by DRP showing his latest apparatus

David Robert Palmer
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Luke 2:22, "their cleansing" or "her cleansing" (TR)

txt αυτων MS 76 & rell. Gk. it-q syr-p,h cop-sa,bo-pt AN RP NA28
‖ αυτου D 118 205 209 it-a,aur,b,c,d,e,f,ff²,g¹,l,r¹ vg syr-s cop-sa-ms arm Ir-lat (Adv. Haer 3.10.5.157-9)
‖ αυτον Θ*
‖ omit cop-bo-pt Chrys Diatess-Pers.
‖ αυτης TR
‖ lac 𝔓⁴⁵ 𝔓⁷⁵ C F N P Q T.

The TR reading is found only in the Catenae.

Manuscript 76 is listed for the majority reading since some had claimed it reads as the TR, but this has been confirmed as not true. (Sorry, FB has interpreted the Against Heresies reference numbers as an IP address.)

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For Greek evidences Daniel Wallace has given:

Pseudo-Athanasius
(Is this the Paschal Chronicle? Does it work?)

And mentioned by David:

Catenae in euangelia Lucae et Joannis
[ed. John Anthony Cramer, Oxford, 1841].
https://books.google.com/books?id=BoINAAAAQAAJ
John Anthony Cramer (1793-1848)
And I don't think anyone has pulled out the text from the Cramer edition.

Jerome is translated as her purification in his work on the Purification of Mary. Similar Augustine. Jerome was quite the bilingualist.

Worthy of note for "her purification"
Protevanglion of James - Protevangelium
Pseudo-Matthew

"their purification" is quite rare in the literature, after Origen and the Diatessaron, both with questions as to the language.

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Why is the Old Syriac placed with the Greek masculine? Hatch says ambiguous and the Agnes Smith Lewis book says "her purification".
This question of questionably shunting off singulars to the masculine may have other applications. Hatch's logic on this point is very weak, since the Purification of Mary was understood by great swaths of the church world.
Although he does say properly:
"It is quite possible, however, that many readers of the Old
Latin and Sinaitic Syriac understood the mother of Christ to be meant."
Hatch
p. 377-381
https://books.google.com/books?id=qpcWAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA377
https://archive.org/details/jstor-1507877/mode/1up

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Worthy of a solid translation by someone someday:
Liber conciliationis in loca ex Vetere et Novo Testamento (1713)
By Willem Surenhuys
http://books.google.com/books?id=NIFBAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA302
p. 302-307
I believe it includes Beza and definitely variant comparisons!

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Next I will question why Irenaeus is placed in the masculine singular group, when basically he simply omits the pronoun, and gives a general discourse that includes the circumcision and the travel to Jerusalem.

The Writings of St. Irenaeus (1884)
https://books.google.com/books?id=F5kwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA286

5. And still further does Luke say in reference to the
Lord: “ When the days of purification were accomplished,
they brought Him up to Jerusalem, to present Ilim before
the Lord, as it is written in the law of the Lord, That every
male opening the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;
and that they should offer a sacrifice, as it is said in the law
of the Lord, a pair of turtle-doves, or two young pigeons
in his own person most clearly calling Him Lord, who
appointed the legal dispensation. But “ Simeon,” he also
says, “blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest Thou Thy
servant depart in peace; for mine eyes have seen Thy salva-
tion, which Thou hast prepared before the face of all people; a light for the revelation of the Gentiles, and the glory of
Thy people Israel.”2 And i( Anna” 3 also, “ the prophetess,”
he says, in like manner glorified God when she saw Christ,
“ and spake of Him to all them who were looking for the
redemption of Jerusalem.”4 Now' by all these one God is
shown forth, revealing to men the new dispensation of liberty,
the covenant, through the new advent of His Son.

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It looks like 4 groups of evidence have been wrongly placed as masculine. Was this because the Critical Text editors preferred to lessen the singular feminine support? Surely they could have put in an entry that allowed for either singular, masculine and feminine.

The first two were covered above

syr-c - the Old Syriac manuscript of Sinai

Irenaeus

More important though, would be, in general, manuscripts of the:

Old Latin
Vulgate

One could argue that Codx Bezae should be considered masculine becuse of the masculine Greek, but that could have been a translator's decision from the Latin, and it is only one of the Latin manuscripts.

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Above I questioned syr-s, the Old Syriac, being listed with the masculine Greek, but there is more to question:

it-a,aur,b,c,d,e,f,ff²,g¹,l,r¹
vg
syr-s
cop-sa-ms
arm
Ir-lat (Adv. Haer 3.10.5.157-9) -

Sahidic is his, three mss are their
Armenian
p. 377 378 380
p, 377 says Armenian is their with Gothic and Ethiopic with their
p. 378 says Amsterdam edition of the Armenian is his
p. 380 discusses Amsterdam edition of the Armenian

Irenaeus p. 379 and 380
p. 379
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p. 380


Run through Hatch

Amphilochius of Iconium .. 4th century - no pronoun
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This is likely Aquinas Greek Expositor
Aquinas

Hatch on Vulgate and Old Latin
p. 378
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p. 379
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PBF both

Cyril of Alexandria is a Greek that might be a support, needs some research.
The Greek Expositor is only through Aquinas in Latin.
Aquinas

Commentary ms. 055 needs checking. Note that we decided no entry for Titus of Bostra, and this may be the ms.
" 055 has been studied but I don't think is any longer classified as a Greek MS, since it is extracts of sermons mixed with texts of the Gospels. "
Paris, National Library Gr. 201. Tischendorf/Scrivener 309e.

Edersheim et al

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Paschal Chronicle - is that Ps-Athanasius .. check Ciampa et al
Who is in UBS-2
Hatch
Basnage

Bernard of Clairvaux - medieval
Bonaventure - medieval

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Ambrose - (neutral)
https://books.google.com/books?id=Gh6sFDUfq8cC&pg=PA48

Amphilocius - omit pronoun - this may be the Greek Expositer of Aquinas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphilochius_of_Iconium
Hatch says omit
http://books.google.com/books?id=qpcWAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA379

Anselm - (minor)
Aquinas
Augustine - ?? their in UBS-2,
Bede
Catenae in euangelia Lucae et Joannis - her, Greek, full context helpful
Chrysostom - omit says LaParola

Cyril of Alexandria - their UBS-2, not verified
Pusey, E. B. (Edward Bouverie), 1800-1882; Newman, John Henry, 1801-1890
archive.org

First letter to the Very Rev. J.H. Newman, D.D., in explanation chiefly in regard to the reverential love due to the ever-blessed Theotokos, and the doctrine of Her Immaculate Conception : with an analysis of Cardinal de Turrecremata's work on the Im

Includes bibliographical references
archive.org
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Cyril of Jerusalem - their UBS-2, not verified
Diatessaron - their (Persian?)
Eusebius - neutral does review Leviticus
Eustathius bishop of Antioch - Dialogue of Eranistes and Orthodoxus. - offers of Purification

Euthymius Zigabenus
Simon Patrick says their
https://books.google.com/books?id=e_5PAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310

Greek Expositor of Aquinad
Gregory Nemesius (neutral)
Haymo of Halberstadt
Hippolytus (neutral)

Jerome
Simon Patrick says contra Helvidius is their
https://books.google.com/books?id=e_5PAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310

Justinian
books.google.com

Methodist Magazine and Quarterly Review

books.google.com
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http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/fasts_feasts/demetri_feastdays_theotokos.htm
The Presentation of Christ in the Temple, known in the West as The Purification and among the Greeks as Hypapante is another originally Christ-centered feast.. Although the Latin Church has retained much of the Christ-centered elements, it therefore, appears to be a feast “shared” by Christ and the Virgin. The Diary of Sylvia contains the first reference to this feast. This 4th century document relates that in Jerusalem, the celebration of this feast included a procession, a homily on Luke 2:22-26 and the celebration of the Liturgy (Essey 41-2). The Emperor Justinian officially recognized this feast in Constantinople in 542 AD (Essey 42). It was brought to Rome during the first half of the 7th Century or earlier.

https://sensusfidelium.com/bible-catechesis/the-bible/gospel-of-st-luke/gospel-of-st-luke-chapter-2/
Ver. 22. Of her purification. The blessed Virgin mother stood not in need of this ceremony, to which she submitted herself, as her Son did to that of circumcision. (Witham) — Whence St. Lawrence Justinian in his sermon on the purification, very well observes: grace raised the Virgin above the law; humility subjected her to it. Jesus Christ, in subjecting himself to the law of Moses, has left an example to princes and magistrates, to obey their own laws; for then they may expect them to be observed by others, when themselves shew respect to them. (Barradius.)

books.google.com

The Catholic Encyclopedia: Brow-Clancy

books.google.com
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Irenaeus - omit, Lat

Lectiones Velesianeae

Origen - their UBS-2
Simon Patrick gives Origen Latin

Paschal Chronicles - Ps.Athanasius - her, Greek, full context helpful

Pope Leo 1 (minor)

Philip Schaff: Creeds of Christendom, with a History and Critical notes. Volume I. The History of Creeds. - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

www.ccel.org www.ccel.org
Schaff
"Leo I. (who says that Christ alone was free from original sin, and that Mary obtained her purification through her conception of Christ),"

Protevangelion of James
http://books.google.com/books?id=OUxVAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA10
"and when the days of her purification were accomplished"
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Pseudo-Matthew
Pseudo-Matthew is not really a translation at all, but a Latin composition on its own, even though it is based on the earlier Greek Protevangelium of James.)Jun 2
From: Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol 8 1886 ed
Alexander Roberts, Sir James Donaldson, Arthur Cleveland Coxe - 1886 .
https://books.google.com/books?id=PeP5Bcsyt2oC&pg=PA122
https://books.google.com/books?id=2G_YAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA33
http://www.gnosis.org/library/psudomat.htm
"CHAP. 15.--And on the sixth day they entered Bethlehem, where they spent the seventh day. And on the eighth day they circumcised the child, and called His name Jesus; for so He was called by the angel before He was conceived in the womb. [4] Now, after the days of the purification of Mary were fulfilled according to the law of Moses, then Joseph took the infant to the temple of the Lord. And when the infant had received parhithomus, [5]--parhithomus, that is, circumcision--they offered for Him a pair of turtle-doves, or two young pigeons. [6]"

Theodotus of Ancyra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodotus_of_Ancyra_(bishop)
p. 427
sermon on the Purification
The Angelic Salutation in Early Byzantine and Medieval Annunciation Imagery (1999)
Ann van Dijk
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3051350?read-now=1&seq=4#page_scan_tab_contents

Theophylact c. AD 1100
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophylact_of_Ohrid
Simon Patrick
https://books.google.com/books?id=e_5PAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310
Also James Foote

Titus of Bostra - (neutral)

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If the KJVOnlyist wants to appeal to the Early Church Fathers, they cannot because the earliest Church Fathers testify to "their purification" or a purification other than Mary.

"And when the days of 👉their👈 purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they took him up to Jerusalem to present him before the Lord..."
(Tatian, the Diatessaron, Section 2, Verses 30-31)

"The All-Purifier Firstborn in the day of His purifying,—purified the purification of the firstborn and was offered in the Temple:—the Lord of offering needed offerings,—to make offering of birds.—In His Birth were fulfilled the types,—in His purification and circumcision the allegories.—He came and paid over debts in His coming down;—in His Resurrection He went up and sent down treasures."
( Ephraim the Syrian, Nineteen Hymns on the Nativity of Christ in the Flesh, Hymn 19, Verse 13)

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Clearly then, the only thing that a KJVOnlyist can appeal to is their own unverified belief. He must admit to himself that he believes the reading is “her” not based on manuscripts, ancient versions, or church fathers, but rather only because King James English says so.

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But if one still doesn't understand why it is "their purification" when the Law only requires the mother to purify herself (Leviticus 12), then read Exodus 13:1-2:

Exodus 13:1–2 (KJV): And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Hence, the purification is for Jesus and Mary, that is, "their purification". One for the circumcision and consecration of Jesus as the firstborn and the other for Mary's symbolic restoration of purity.
 
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The Protevangelium of James appears to be an indirect early Greek witness for "her purification" in Luke 2:22:
The Apocryphal New Testament (1820)
https://books.google.com/books?id=R6fsdyRzSqEC&pg=PA27
9 And when the days of her purification were accomplished, he gave suck to the child, and called her name Mary.

Going back to an edition by William Wake (1657-1737)
The Greek question could be confirmed. However it is the birth of Mary.

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The main argument that the Protevangelium could not be James is false:
“Since James’ death at the hands of Ananias occured in 62 CE and since the Gospels of Matthew and Luke were composed later, the Infancy Gospel of James must be pseudonymous.”
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/infancyjames.html
Luke was written to the high priest Theophilus c. AD 40-41.
Matthew has a similar date.
(Ignore the claim of being Scripture.)

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There are about one hundred and thirty Greek manuscripts containing the Infancy Gospel of James, but the vast majority of these come from the tenth century or later. The earliest known manuscript of the text was found in 1958; it is now kept in Geneva's Bodmer Library. The manuscript dates to the third century; however, according to Cameron, "many of its readings seem to be secondary."

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If the Protevangelium is c. AD 55-60, that is incredibly important evidence for “her purification” by Luke.

(If the Greek text examination holds up. Also we would want to know if it is in the 3rd century manuscript.)

Powerful evidence even if 2nd century.
 
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