Mark Ward disaster on Youtube

[Steven Avery]

Some good comments, Snapp and Avery

Snapp
6:25 - "The truth is that I am an unrepentant and unshaken Hortian." - Moises Silva, 2002.


Pure Bible
Thanks, James, good ref. I found this source and more text. "Let me disabuse you of any thoughts that I am an impartial and objective party in the dispute. The truth is that I am an unrepentant and unshaken Hortian." (in David A. Black, ed., _Rethinking NT Textual Criticism_, Baker, 2002, p.142).


James Snapp
@Mark Ward , My view as far as this particular video is concerned is that none of your reasons make sense.

Pure Bible
@Mark Ward - Essentially, James simply is pointing out that your presentations try to mask the huge textual differences between the AV (and even the NKJV) vs. the Critical Text Westcott-Hort recension Versions. If the AV is good Bible, all the modern versions are trash. If the ESV is a good Bible, then the AV is trash. "... choose you this day whom ye will serve..." Joshua 24:15

3 Reasons Why You Should Trust Modern Evangelical English Bible Translations

 

[Steven Avery]

At 12:30 he tries to say that heretics supported the King James Bible.

First Joseph Smith, from the early mormon history is absurd, he claimed that God gave him corrections to make to the King James Bible.

Then

William Ellery Channing (1780-1842)
Henry Emerson Fosdick (1878-1969)

Here is Fosdick attacking the AV and the heavenly witnesses:
https://www.religion-online.org/book-chapter/chapter-12-what-about-the-trinity/

To be sure, in the King James Version, the First Epistle of John contains these words (5:7): "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." But no subsequent version contains that verse, because it appears in no early manuscript, and it is rejected by scholars as being a late addition.

Channing similarly called the heavenly witnesses a forgery.
https://books.google.com/books?id=BOYrAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA98

 

[Steven Avery]

Pure Bible
At 12:30 Mark Ward says that heretics supported the AV, but his three examples are wacky. 1) Joseph Smith, the mormon leader, offered ridiculous corrections to the King James Bible. 2) Henry Emerson Fosdick (1878-1969) "To be sure, in the King James Version, the First Epistle of John contains these words (5:7): 'There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.' But no subsequent version contains that verse, because it appears in no early manuscript, and it is rejected by scholars as being a late addition." 3) William Ellery Channing (1780-1842) similarly accused our beautiful verse of being a "forgery". None of these three believed that the Authorised Version is the pure word of God.



Mark Ward
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Pure Bible
@Mark Ward - so an irrelevant claim, of no value. They can also “use” corruption versions. The Unitarians like to use the Improved Version. Here Fosdick even wrote a book using only the corruption version. https://www.amazon.com/Responsive-Readings-American-Standard-Revised/dp/1331720362 . So he was a Westcott-Hort recension dupe.