responding to a friend from the 1970s upset about pointing out the yahweh-yahshua problem

Steven Avery

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A Thank You and Concerns to Homestead Heritage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebNx4Q3Ldwc

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Pure Bible
"king of kings, yahweh almighty"
Any real Christian, who knows that yahweh is a dark-side name (Jupiter) should cringe and cry for Homestead Heritage in hearing those words.

HOLLY CHIPPS
Shame on you Steve Spencer.You know the truth.

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Moved to a new post. It would not "stick" when placed under Holly's post.

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@HOLLY CHIPPS - hi Holly.

We all have a responsibility to find out the truth about Jesus and Jehovah (the true name for the Tetragram in the King james Bible, also LORD is properly used) and the counterfeits yahweh and yahshua.

We were not aware of this in the 1970s and the early 1980s (Yahshua came in later). It sort of crept in, we were not told that our central goal was "yahweh-worship". So when you were there, it was much purer.

Hopefully, you are not praying to yahweh, and are just commenting based on remembrance. Maybe you have never been in an "ohhhhh yahweehhhh" prayer room?

And I would be most happy to share this with you privately, if you prefer. Skype, Messenger, and other venues. It is very fundamental to be strong in Christian truths.

2 Timothy 2:15 (AV)
Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth

And I did have lots of conversation with Joel Stein on this topic, mostly email, which the fellership initiated after I defended them in the Factnet/Topix internet wars.

Did you know that the gibberish yahshua, which we never used, is now even in the water baptisms? Your baptism in the 1970s was 100% true Christian apostolic, however there have been negative changes.

Yes, Homestead Heritage walks with a wonderful anointing from the early days,

Romans 11:29 (AV)
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

however they have deliberately moved into realms of rebellion.

Yours in the beautiful name of Jesus,

Steven (Avery) Spencer
Dutchess County, NY USA

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Steven Avery

Administrator
Hi, a bit more for dear Holly and family,

Hi! Now, Holly, I always share what an amazing experience were the early days from the World of Yah on to Jersey and Colorado (Truth Forum, Rehobeth farm, Emmaus, Koinonia). And I understand that the fellership gave you special spiritual support through the later years. It was shared that you were keeping some direct contact when you were in Texas. Which makes sense.

And I also had tons of interaction with them from the 1990s and over the next two decades. Visits, Fairs, discussions, some deep times.

So it is easy for those of us who experienced those years, and walk with Jesus, to have an undercurrent of belief in their salvational perspective. Salvation is through acceptance and agreement and submission to the ministry. There was some truth to this in the halcyon days.

However, it is not the same today. They have left Christian moorings in fundamentals, ship-wrecked, and have hardened in rebellion. They still could change, and return back to Christianity, and be that city on the hill .... but they have been moving in the wrong direction.

Blessings and grace in Jesus name,

Steven (Avery) Spencer
Dutchess County, NY USA

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Steven Avery

Administrator
- hi restoration.

No discussion. The only forum that has discussion is an open group on Facebook, Homestead Heritage Contacts, and none of this Chained Ambassador YouTube stuff goes over there. I simply get frustrated with YouTube with having to repost about 5 times before a post sticks. And I even have to break short posts into pieces to try to make them stick.So I usually mirror them where they read easier, and I use the mirror as a base for reposts.

At www.purebibleforum.com there are special research sections on Homestead Heritage and Jehovah vs. the yahweh/Jupiter pagan counterfeit. Neither section has had any discussion. For iron sharpeneth discussion on the true names I recommend The Creator’s Name group on Facebook. And I host a more general group called PureBible on Facebook which is a lot of fun.

Yours in Jesus name!
Steven (Avery) Spencer
Dutchess County, NY USA

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@restoration - Hi
Thanks for your concerns.
As often happens, the posts on YouTube will not stick.
Please see my response post at:
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...ut-the-yahweh-yahshua-problem.2407/#post-9713

Thanks!

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Btw, I have tremendous respect and appreciation for Holly.
Back around 77 she was at Woodstock 7/7/77. There is even a pic.

And I used to drive some Paramus sisters to their nursing home jobs.
We were all part of the crew that took the trip to Grand Junction, Colorado. Lots of shared wonderful experiences,.

Among those who left what is now Homestead from those days, afaik only a small number stayed strong in Christian faith. Without any bitterness towards the vision and dedication to which Homestead aspired. Those were very unique and pure days.

So I even understand her “tsk, tsk” (shame) attempted rebuke. :). However, she is missing a bit. I had ongoing visits and Fairs and doctrinal discussion in the decades in between. And I also sort fervently to hear the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ. And I even had a few years chasing the shadows of the Sacred Namers so got extra assistance in understanding their deceptions, which rubbed off on Homestead. And the pure Bible became my special study area.

Blessings and grace in Jesus name!

Steven (Avery) Spencer
Dutchess County, NY USA
 
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Makinero

New member
Hi.
A lot of people say that the vowels of the word "ADONAI" are added to the TETRAGRAM. But how is that possible, since they negate the vowel points in God's name, why don't they negate the vowel points in the word "ADONAI"? Does anyone have CERTAIN evidence that the word "ADONAI" originally contained the vowels we now have in that word? Probably no one in history has asked this question yet. They negate the Masoretic vowel points, and at the same time refer to the Masoretic points from the word "ADONAI". Isn't that hypocrisy on their part?
 

Steven Avery

Administrator
This was attempted to put up on 1/15/2022

@restoration - Many of the posts and discussions on YouTube vanish. Thus, it makes sense to have a mirror spot. And there has been essentially no discussion of these topics on the PureBibleForum mirror. (Similarly all the earlier discussions on Factnet and Topix, where I and a few others helped defend Homestead Heritage, are now gone.) The only forum that has ongoing discussion is an open group on Facebook, Homestead Heritage Contacts. At www.purebibleforum.com there are special research sections on Jehovah vs. the yahweh/Jupiter pagan counterfeit, the King James Bible, the heavenly witnesses verse and other topics, including a Homestead Heritage section. For iron sharpeneth discussion on the true names I recommend The Creator’s Name group on Facebook. And I host a more general group called PureBible on Facebook which is a lot of fun. Btw, I have tremendous respect and appreciation for Holly. Back in 77 she was at Woodstock 7/7/77 and I think she is in the nice pic on the grass. And I used to drive some Paramus sisters to their nursing home jobs. We were all part of the crew that took the trip to Grand Junction, Colorado. Lots of shared wonderful experiences,. Among those who left what is now Homestead from those days, afaik only a small number stayed strong in Christian faith. Without any bitterness towards the vision and dedication to which Homestead aspired. Those were very unique and pure days. So I even understand her “tsk, tsk” (shame) attempted rebuke. :). However, she is missing a bit. I have had ongoing visits and Fairs and doctrinal discussion in the decades in between. And I also sort fervently to hear the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ. And I even had a few years chasing the shadows of the Sacred Namers so got extra assistance in understanding their deceptions, which rubbed off on Homestead. And the pure Bible became my special study area. Blessings and grace in Jesus name! Yours in Jesus name! Steven (Avery) Spencer Dutchess County, NY USA
 

Steven Avery

Administrator
Hi.
A lot of people say that the vowels of the word "ADONAI" are added to the TETRAGRAM. But how is that possible, since they negate the vowel points in God's name, why don't they negate the vowel points in the word "ADONAI"? Does anyone have CERTAIN evidence that the word "ADONAI" originally contained the vowels we now have in that word? Probably no one in history has asked this question yet. They negate the Masoretic vowel points, and at the same time refer to the Masoretic points from the word "ADONAI". Isn't that hypocrisy on their part?

Hi Makineror,

Welcome! Good question.

The Adonai theory, with its complexities, is not really mutually exclusive to the truth of the JEHOVAH pronunciation.

We know Jehovah is right due to corroborating proofs including:

Full proper vowels in about 2,000 Masoretic manuscripts.
Theophoric names.
Hebraic writers.


Plus there are other more technical arguments, such as the three-syllable nature of JHVH (and the representation of the three tenses).

The Adonai theory may slightly lessen the import of the first one, but really does not explain the full name phenomenon and the tendency to omit the cholam to mask the name.
 
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