Steven Avery
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This was covered previously with Pickering as the main source, rather than Hoskier, combine the two
the conflations in Revelation 6 and 17:4 !
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/the-conflations-in-revelation-6-and-17-4.2898/
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Revelation 17:4 (KJV)
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Revelation 17:4 (TR1881)
4 καὶ ἡ γυνὴ ἦν περιβεβλημένη πορφύρᾳ καὶ κόκκινῳ, καὶ κεχρυσωμένη χρυσῷ καὶ λίθῳ τιμίῳ καὶ μαργαρίταις, ἔχουσα χρυσοῦν ποτήριον ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτῆς, γέμον327 βδελυγμάτων καὶ ἀκάθαρτητος πορνείας αὐτῆς,328
Revelation 17:4 (NA27)
4 καὶ ἡ γυνὴ ἦν περιβεβλημένη πορφυροῦν καὶ κόκκινον καὶ κεχρυσωμένη χρυσίῳ καὶ λίθῳ τιμίῳ καὶ μαργαρίταις, ἔχουσα ποτήριον χρυσοῦν ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτῆς γέμον327 βδελυγμάτων καὶ τὰ ἀκάθαρτα τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς328
Revelation 17:4 (Sinaiticus LXX/NT)
4 και η γυ νη ην περιβεβλη μενη πορφυρου(ν) και κοκκινον κ(αι) κεχρυσωμενη χρυσω και λιθω τι μιω και μαργαρι ταις εχουσα ποτη ριον χρουσουν εν τη χειρι αυτης γεμω(ν) 327 βδελυγματων και τα ακαθαρτα της πορνιας αυτης και της γης328
p . 177 - Sinaiticus Rev 17:4
ALSO
PROLEGOMENA p LIV
https://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/...e=verse&translation=true&verse=4&zoomSlider=0
4
ρατα δεκα και η γυ
νη ην περιβεβλη
μενη πορφυρου
και κοκκινον κ(αι)
κεχρυϲωμενη
χρυϲω και λιθω τι
μιω και μαργαρι
ταιϲ εχουϲα ποτη
ριον χρουϲουν εν
τη χειρι αυτηϲ γεμω
βδελυγματων και
τα ακαθαρτα τηϲ
πορνιαϲ αυτηϲ και
τηϲ γηϲ ...........
http://www.laparola.net/greco/index.php?rif1=73&rif2=17:4
apparently the Sinaiticus reading might not have been a Greek conflation but come directly from Syriac Harklean (AD 600) or Coptic
However, the Greek matches very well, so it should be a Greek conflation at core
The second one might have picked up the text from the later verse
and the earth is at the end of verse 5 also
this makes for multiple ways to arise
Sending
327 17:4a About this solecism and those in Rev. 1:5; 2:20; 7:4; 8:9; 9:14; 14:12, and 20:2, DeBrunner in BDF §136(l) says, "As Nestle (op. cit.) remarks, all these solecisms were later removed by educated revisers."
328 17:4b txt πορνειας αυτης A 051 911 922 1006 1678 1778 1828 1841 2065 2344 MA itar,c,dem,div,haf vg syrPh (arm) eth Andr; Beat TR BG RP SBL TH NA28 {B} // πορνειας της γης 046 1611 2053 2062 2070 2329 MK Hipp; (Cypr) (Quodv) (Prim) AN HF // πονηριας της γης 1854 // πορνιας αυτης και της γης א syrh with * (copsa.bo) arm3 // πορνειας arm // της γης itgig // lac C 2050 2080. Notice that the next verse, V. 5, ends with της γης. Perhaps some copyist left off his task near the end of v. 4, came back to resume copying, and his eye picked up where he thought he left off, but he was at the end of v. 5 instead. The Sahidic Coptic reads "of her fornication with those of the earth," and the Bohairic Coptic reads "...with all the earth." Hoskier does not account for the uncial P here, but usually when 046 82 627 920 side against other uncials, P is opposed to 046 as well.
the conflations in Revelation 6 and 17:4 !
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/the-conflations-in-revelation-6-and-17-4.2898/
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Revelation 17:4 (KJV)
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Revelation 17:4 (TR1881)
4 καὶ ἡ γυνὴ ἦν περιβεβλημένη πορφύρᾳ καὶ κόκκινῳ, καὶ κεχρυσωμένη χρυσῷ καὶ λίθῳ τιμίῳ καὶ μαργαρίταις, ἔχουσα χρυσοῦν ποτήριον ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτῆς, γέμον327 βδελυγμάτων καὶ ἀκάθαρτητος πορνείας αὐτῆς,328
Revelation 17:4 (NA27)
4 καὶ ἡ γυνὴ ἦν περιβεβλημένη πορφυροῦν καὶ κόκκινον καὶ κεχρυσωμένη χρυσίῳ καὶ λίθῳ τιμίῳ καὶ μαργαρίταις, ἔχουσα ποτήριον χρυσοῦν ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτῆς γέμον327 βδελυγμάτων καὶ τὰ ἀκάθαρτα τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς328
Revelation 17:4 (Sinaiticus LXX/NT)
4 και η γυ νη ην περιβεβλη μενη πορφυρου(ν) και κοκκινον κ(αι) κεχρυσωμενη χρυσω και λιθω τι μιω και μαργαρι ταις εχουσα ποτη ριον χρουσουν εν τη χειρι αυτης γεμω(ν) 327 βδελυγματων και τα ακαθαρτα της πορνιας αυτης και της γης328
p . 177 - Sinaiticus Rev 17:4
ALSO
PROLEGOMENA p LIV
https://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/...e=verse&translation=true&verse=4&zoomSlider=0
4
ρατα δεκα και η γυ
νη ην περιβεβλη
μενη πορφυρου
και κοκκινον κ(αι)
κεχρυϲωμενη
χρυϲω και λιθω τι
μιω και μαργαρι
ταιϲ εχουϲα ποτη
ριον χρουϲουν εν
τη χειρι αυτηϲ γεμω
βδελυγματων και
τα ακαθαρτα τηϲ
πορνιαϲ αυτηϲ και
τηϲ γηϲ ...........
http://www.laparola.net/greco/index.php?rif1=73&rif2=17:4
apparently the Sinaiticus reading might not have been a Greek conflation but come directly from Syriac Harklean (AD 600) or Coptic
However, the Greek matches very well, so it should be a Greek conflation at core
The second one might have picked up the text from the later verse
and the earth is at the end of verse 5 also
this makes for multiple ways to arise
Sending
327 17:4a About this solecism and those in Rev. 1:5; 2:20; 7:4; 8:9; 9:14; 14:12, and 20:2, DeBrunner in BDF §136(l) says, "As Nestle (op. cit.) remarks, all these solecisms were later removed by educated revisers."
328 17:4b txt πορνειας αυτης A 051 911 922 1006 1678 1778 1828 1841 2065 2344 MA itar,c,dem,div,haf vg syrPh (arm) eth Andr; Beat TR BG RP SBL TH NA28 {B} // πορνειας της γης 046 1611 2053 2062 2070 2329 MK Hipp; (Cypr) (Quodv) (Prim) AN HF // πονηριας της γης 1854 // πορνιας αυτης και της γης א syrh with * (copsa.bo) arm3 // πορνειας arm // της γης itgig // lac C 2050 2080. Notice that the next verse, V. 5, ends with της γης. Perhaps some copyist left off his task near the end of v. 4, came back to resume copying, and his eye picked up where he thought he left off, but he was at the end of v. 5 instead. The Sahidic Coptic reads "of her fornication with those of the earth," and the Bohairic Coptic reads "...with all the earth." Hoskier does not account for the uncial P here, but usually when 046 82 627 920 side against other uncials, P is opposed to 046 as well.
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