the early 1860s references to the colouring of the manuscript

Steven Avery

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"much altered, having an older appearance than it ought to have"

Simonides, per his 1852 visit - answer to Bradshaw question
Journal of Sacred Literature - April, 1863
Letter from William A. Wright, Dec 5, 1862
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA214
Simonides
It seems scarcely necessary to insert the letter of Kallinikos, as it appeared in the Literary Churchman of Dec. 16th, but we will add one from Simonides, which appeared at the same time : —
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA216
Also p. 218 and 232
https://archive.org/stream/journalsacredli15cowpgoog#page/n229/mode/2up
Elliott p. 28, 48, 53, 55, 68, 82

Quote 2 - much altered.jpg


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“Mr. Bradshaw’s very proper and natural query – ‘How is it possible that a MS. written beautifully, and with no intention to deceive, in 1840, should in 1862 present so ancient an appearance?’ I answer simply thus: The MS. had been systematically tampered with, in order to give it an ancient appearance, as early as 1852, when, as I have already stated, it had an older appearance than it ought to have had …”

Simonides in The Guardian, Jan. 28, 1863, answered a question posed by Henry Bradshaw:
Journal of Sacred Literature - July 1863
Constantine Simonides, published in the Guardian Feb 4, 1963
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA485
Elliott p. 68

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I know too, still further, that the same Codex was cleaned, with a solution of herbs, on the theory that the skins might be cleaned, but, in fact, that the writing might be changed, as it was, to a sort of yellow colour.

Kallinikos:
The Literary Churchman, Dec. 16, 1862
(Guardian of a somewhat earlier date.. differing little from each other, written in 1864 could imply 1863 but not)
Codex Sinaiticus & the Simonides Affair by J.K. Elliott, p. 77

Christian Remembrancer (1864)
https://books.google.com/books?id=jvoDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA204
quoting Guardian

Codex Sinaiticus and the Simonides Affair (1982)
James Keith Elliott
Elliott p. 77
CALLINICUS HIEROMONK
Alexandria, October 16-28, 1862 17
17. F. Field corrected the translation in a letter to The Literary Churchman. January 1st, 1863.



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"... the codex also was cleaned with lemon-juice, professedly for the purpose of cleaning its parchments, but in reality in order to weaken the freshness of the letters, as was actually the case."

Kallininikos Hieromonachos - letter from Alexandria, Oct 15, 1862
Journal of Sacred Literature p. 212 - April, 1863
The Codex Sinaiticus and its Antiquity
M. Simonides
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA212
https://archive.org/stream/journalsacredli15cowpgoog#page/n225/mode/2up
not in Elliott
Quote 1 lemon-juice.jpg


"The manuscript had been cleaned with lemon-juice, professedly for the purpose of washing the vellum, but, in reality, to weaken the freshness of the letters."

The Christian Remembrancer, interprets Simonides:
(Codex Sinaiticus & the Simonides Affair by J.K. Elliott, p. 78)
Elliott p. 78


Quote 5 - cleaned with lemon-juice.jpg

This is a third-party off-shoot of the previous quote.

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1st
Simonides, per his 1852 visit
Journal of Sacred Literature - April, 1863
Letter from William A. Wright, Dec 5, 1862
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA214
https://archive.org/stream/journalsacredli15cowpgoog#page/n229/mode/2up
check if this relates to specific earlier words

2nd
Simonides in The Guardian, Jan. 28, 1863, answered a question posed by Henry Bradshaw:
Journal of Sacred Literature - July 1863
Constantine Simonides, published in the Guardian Feb 4, 1963
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA485

3rd
Kallininikos Hieromonachos - letter from Alexandria, Oct 15, 1862
The Literary Churchman, Dec. 16, 1862
Codex Sinaiticus & the Simonides Affair by J.K. Elliott, p. 77
Needs authorship date
https://books.google.com/books?id=2...=2ahUKEwj4h4ecrI_7AhVlEFkFHf9nBvoQ6AF6BAgHEAI

4th
Kallininikos Hieromonachos - letter from Alexandria, Oct 15, 1862
Journal of Sacred Literature p. 212 - April, 1863

https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA212
https://archive.org/stream/journalsacredli15cowpgoog#page/n225/mode/2up

5th same info of fourth
 
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Steven Avery

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five extracts

For a shorter posting of just the quotes, and pointing to this page:

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In the early 1860s, it was stated very clearly what had occurred, that you can see today very easily thanks to the superb photography efforts of the Codex Sinaiticus Project of 2009.


The first two are from the same quote:

"the codex also was cleaned with lemon-juice, professedly for the purpose of cleaning its parchments, but in reality in order to weaken the freshness of the letters, as was actually the case."

"The manuscript had been cleaned with lemon-juice, professedly for the purpose of washing the vellum, but, in reality, to weaken the freshness of the letters."

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"much altered, having an older appearance than it ought to have"

“Mr. Bradshaw’s very proper and natural query – ‘How is it possible that a MS. written beautifully, and with no intention to deceive, in 1840, should in 1862 present so ancient an appearance?’ I answer simply thus: The MS. had been systematically tampered with, in order to give it an ancient appearance, as early as 1852, when, as I have already stated, it had an older appearance than it ought to have had …”

I know too, still further, that the same Codex was cleaned, with a solution of herbs, on the theory that the skins might be cleaned, but, in fact, that the writing might be changed, as it was, to a sort of yellow colour."

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Steven Avery

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Elliott p. 28 ( 48, 53, 55) - LONGER QUOTE
In 1852 I saw it there myself, and begged the librarian to inform me how the monastery had acquired it but he did not appear to know anything
of the matter, and I, for my part, said nothing. However, I examined the MS. and found it much altered, having an older appearance that it ought to have. The dedication to the Emperor Nicholas, placed at the beginning of the book, had been removed.

https://forums.carm.org/threads/is-the-worlds-oldest-bible-a-fake.11375/page-26#post-935646

Here are the pages in Elliott.

"much altered" - 28, 48, 53, 55, 68, 82
"ancient appearance" - 68
"herbs ... yellow colour" - 77
"lemon juice ... vellum" - 78
 
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