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Henry Bradshaw quire observation in 1862 - this is analogous to the trimming issue
"I do not trust palaeography to prove an old date, but I do trust it to disprove such a date.
It is easy to imitate what is antique, but impossible to predict what will be novel." - David R. Smith
"A document is no older than the materials used." - David V. Daniels
Sinaiticus should look similarly as old and decrepit as Alexandrinus. Not young and supple.
SA: The quiet secret of Leipzig and the British Library
Gregory speaks of Porphyry's performances, p. 381 :
"The Imperial Library [at St. Petersburg] contains a large number of fine leaves from valuable manuscripts which Porfiri Uspenski of Kiev cut, tore, stole out of all manner of books in the large Eastern libraries. How coarse and brutal he must have been!" There are some similar collections elsewhere (Tischendorf)
Bring Cuthbert Turner Hermas from BCHF to PBF
The Rise and Fall of Codx Sinaitcius
book order issues various (possibly used in deciding Sinaiticus, might be elswwhere on Pbf)=
The original order of books was: Pauline epistles, Acts of the Apostles, Catholic epistles, Revelation of John, Gospels.[7] The Pauline epistles precede Acts of the Apostles (like in Codex Sinaiticus). This order was changed by a binder: Gospels, Pauline epistles, Acts, Catholic epistles, and Apocalypse
Charles van der Pool writing of the British Library handwave in their 1930s publication:
"Lastly I find it somewhat comical that the charge against a forger was that he was convicted of forgery...that would seem to be more of a proof of his "credentials" ...see pg. 9, second paragraph
Charles points out various difficulties in the Sinaiticus scenarios
forest of errata" - scrivener
the Leipzig folios are notable for their whiteness."
"my opposite opinion is proved correct"
"exceptional"
"though in many respects sharply criticised by eminent Biblical palaeographers." - reference to German edition of when were out Gospels written
Brugsch Pseuod-Sinaiticus sample page
Did Tisch ever publish the palaeography book "N. T. praef"
Facebook group of people and groups
best quotes inviting people to continue research
yahoogroups - finish review of Elliot and post one post in textualcriticism
Worldcat check of notes - New Paltz, Bard etc.
Uwe Topper has a section from the 2001 about Sinaiticus as a forgery. Translate look at 1998 book as well.
forgery refs http://www.nuaccess.northwestern.edu/blog/entries/analysis.html (from Walton - "Pitfalls of Using Science to Authenticate Archaeological Artifacts") Depuydt, etal
Lilia - unusual list of Simonides books in Elliott (did they - do they exist?)
1846 quote from EOD - estimate
Andrew Queen Morton "Sinaiticus Revisited" (EOD)
Peter on LinkedIn with German info
3 German books now available
Arabic info work in progress
"Greek, about 530 BC or modern forgery”.- Getty plaque pic
George Webber Young on hieroglyphics .. hope that he will revisit - Mark Thunderson
Ludwig Traube palaeography
anomalies eg.
What is the explanation as to why there is no Quire 73 between Job (Q72) and Matthew (Q74)?
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Dioscorides of Vienna comparison .. eg. Tregelles, Disocorides is quite yellowed
https://books.google.com/books?id=SpURAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA152
Laurentius - Italian forgery in the 1400s, the time that Vaticanus appears, see the Velezian readings
From the bio of Stewart: ."In Italy the art of forging manuscripts was commonly practised, and indeed, in the time of Laurentius, who founded the Laurentine Library, many MSS. were forged in Italy and were disposed of as documents of a high degree of antiquity. But nothing of this kind was ever practised at Athos. The Italian monks had a direct motive and interest in these forgeries, for their productions obtained a large price and were a constant source of pecuniary profit; but this motive was entirely wanting in Mount Athos, where the monks regarded their manuscripts as the most valuable of their possessions, and guarded them so jealously that travellers were not permitted to view them. Indeed, no amount of money would induce the monks of Mount Athos to part with the libraries they have guarded and,,
Tischendorf calls the text heretical
overwriting
"Microscopic study of these folios seems to indicate that it was over writing or a non-original ink that has done the damage sometime after the first writing."
There are pointers that Tischendorf may have been involved in touch-up. More on this separately.
"seeking examples of Tischendorf imitating uncial ... handwriting, lettering clues, like Skeat, etc ,,,one overwriter was clearly rather cursory and sloppy. ... like Tisch. No attempt at beauty Throwing in Arabic prophecies almost sounds like bragging that they know Arabic."
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Tischendorf 75 Arabic leaves
of the Pauline epistles. Tischendorf, shrouding his find in the same secrecy with which he had tried to hide the provenance of the famous codex Sinaiticus, did not tell where he acquired the seventy-five Arabic leaves. Delitzsch stated explicitly, however, that Tischendorf had brought them from a monastery in Egypt and, since it is known not only that the two theologians were in close personal contact with each other but that Delitzsch had seen the leaves in Tischendorf's house, it may rightly be assumed that the latter had, at least to some extent, given away the secret, though he did not reveal the name of the Egyptian monastery.
https://books.google.com/books?ei=g...arabic&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=+sinaiticus
"Having all the Leipzig pages is very valuable, since the preservation of the Leipzig pages has long been talked about as a problem." Peter Head 2008
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2008/07/codex-sinaiticus-on-line-initial.html
Tregelles Golden Ms Compare (simply deceived by Tischendorf?)
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/c.144.a/post-424
with Featherstone and sheet that says could not do
Go over Reader article by William Aldis Write "unscholarly greed of English gold" and more
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9,000 rubles may also come up in the return of Tischendorf of many of the books.
the 9,000 rubles
Ultimately (the full story is a long one) the Archbishop was appointed, the gift was made, and (after Tischendorf, on the request of the Archbishop, had intervened on their behalf) the return gift which the monks had no doubt always expected was obtained from the Tsar. It consisted of a sum of 9,000 roubles (a substantial price in those days) and a number of decorations.
http://www.katapi.org.uk/GBibleText/Ch3.html
The Czar sent the monastery a silver shrine for St Catherine, 7,000 rubles for the library at Sinai, and 2,000 rubles for the monks at Cairo, along with conferring Russian honorary titles on the monastery authorities. In 1863 the manuscript was published in Leipzig at the Czar's expense, from Tischendorf's meticulously accurate transcript, and preceded by his no less meticulous annotations. " from:
https://www.umass.edu/wsp/philology/gallery/tischendorf.html
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"Occasionally, one finds a literary texts paleographically datable two hundred years or more before it's context would indicate. (Schwendner, in Proceedings of the Helsinki Papyrological Congress, Helsinki, 2004 (Helsinki 2007)"
" NB the use of years for dating and the estimation of the lifespan, so to speak, of a literary papyrus is terribly misleading, unless there is a secure documentary date attached to it (such as a dated document on the back, vel sim.). It gives an impression of precision that is quite beyond our ability to argue for from evidence." Schwendner
expand to be part of blog network - use as prototype with my biz stuff too
====
Henry Bradshaw quire observation in 1862 - this is analogous to the trimming issue
"I do not trust palaeography to prove an old date, but I do trust it to disprove such a date.
It is easy to imitate what is antique, but impossible to predict what will be novel." - David R. Smith
"A document is no older than the materials used." - David V. Daniels
Sinaiticus should look similarly as old and decrepit as Alexandrinus. Not young and supple.
SA: The quiet secret of Leipzig and the British Library
Gregory speaks of Porphyry's performances, p. 381 :
"The Imperial Library [at St. Petersburg] contains a large number of fine leaves from valuable manuscripts which Porfiri Uspenski of Kiev cut, tore, stole out of all manner of books in the large Eastern libraries. How coarse and brutal he must have been!" There are some similar collections elsewhere (Tischendorf)
Bring Cuthbert Turner Hermas from BCHF to PBF
The Rise and Fall of Codx Sinaitcius
book order issues various (possibly used in deciding Sinaiticus, might be elswwhere on Pbf)=
The original order of books was: Pauline epistles, Acts of the Apostles, Catholic epistles, Revelation of John, Gospels.[7] The Pauline epistles precede Acts of the Apostles (like in Codex Sinaiticus). This order was changed by a binder: Gospels, Pauline epistles, Acts, Catholic epistles, and Apocalypse
Charles van der Pool writing of the British Library handwave in their 1930s publication:
"Lastly I find it somewhat comical that the charge against a forger was that he was convicted of forgery...that would seem to be more of a proof of his "credentials" ...see pg. 9, second paragraph
Charles points out various difficulties in the Sinaiticus scenarios
forest of errata" - scrivener
the Leipzig folios are notable for their whiteness."
"my opposite opinion is proved correct"
"exceptional"
"though in many respects sharply criticised by eminent Biblical palaeographers." - reference to German edition of when were out Gospels written
Brugsch Pseuod-Sinaiticus sample page
Did Tisch ever publish the palaeography book "N. T. praef"
Facebook group of people and groups
best quotes inviting people to continue research
yahoogroups - finish review of Elliot and post one post in textualcriticism
Worldcat check of notes - New Paltz, Bard etc.
Uwe Topper has a section from the 2001 about Sinaiticus as a forgery. Translate look at 1998 book as well.
forgery refs http://www.nuaccess.northwestern.edu/blog/entries/analysis.html (from Walton - "Pitfalls of Using Science to Authenticate Archaeological Artifacts") Depuydt, etal
Lilia - unusual list of Simonides books in Elliott (did they - do they exist?)
1846 quote from EOD - estimate
Andrew Queen Morton "Sinaiticus Revisited" (EOD)
Peter on LinkedIn with German info
3 German books now available
Arabic info work in progress
"Greek, about 530 BC or modern forgery”.- Getty plaque pic
George Webber Young on hieroglyphics .. hope that he will revisit - Mark Thunderson
Ludwig Traube palaeography
anomalies eg.
What is the explanation as to why there is no Quire 73 between Job (Q72) and Matthew (Q74)?
====
Dioscorides of Vienna comparison .. eg. Tregelles, Disocorides is quite yellowed
https://books.google.com/books?id=SpURAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA152
Laurentius - Italian forgery in the 1400s, the time that Vaticanus appears, see the Velezian readings
From the bio of Stewart: ."In Italy the art of forging manuscripts was commonly practised, and indeed, in the time of Laurentius, who founded the Laurentine Library, many MSS. were forged in Italy and were disposed of as documents of a high degree of antiquity. But nothing of this kind was ever practised at Athos. The Italian monks had a direct motive and interest in these forgeries, for their productions obtained a large price and were a constant source of pecuniary profit; but this motive was entirely wanting in Mount Athos, where the monks regarded their manuscripts as the most valuable of their possessions, and guarded them so jealously that travellers were not permitted to view them. Indeed, no amount of money would induce the monks of Mount Athos to part with the libraries they have guarded and,,
Tischendorf calls the text heretical
========================="and contains many readings which must appear gross heresies in a copy destined as a present to the orthodox emperor"
https://books.google.com/books?id=kR82AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA478
overwriting
"Microscopic study of these folios seems to indicate that it was over writing or a non-original ink that has done the damage sometime after the first writing."
There are pointers that Tischendorf may have been involved in touch-up. More on this separately.
"seeking examples of Tischendorf imitating uncial ... handwriting, lettering clues, like Skeat, etc ,,,one overwriter was clearly rather cursory and sloppy. ... like Tisch. No attempt at beauty Throwing in Arabic prophecies almost sounds like bragging that they know Arabic."
==========================
Tischendorf 75 Arabic leaves
of the Pauline epistles. Tischendorf, shrouding his find in the same secrecy with which he had tried to hide the provenance of the famous codex Sinaiticus, did not tell where he acquired the seventy-five Arabic leaves. Delitzsch stated explicitly, however, that Tischendorf had brought them from a monastery in Egypt and, since it is known not only that the two theologians were in close personal contact with each other but that Delitzsch had seen the leaves in Tischendorf's house, it may rightly be assumed that the latter had, at least to some extent, given away the secret, though he did not reveal the name of the Egyptian monastery.
https://books.google.com/books?ei=g...arabic&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=+sinaiticus
"Having all the Leipzig pages is very valuable, since the preservation of the Leipzig pages has long been talked about as a problem." Peter Head 2008
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2008/07/codex-sinaiticus-on-line-initial.html
Tregelles Golden Ms Compare (simply deceived by Tischendorf?)
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/c.144.a/post-424
with Featherstone and sheet that says could not do
Go over Reader article by William Aldis Write "unscholarly greed of English gold" and more
=============
9,000 rubles may also come up in the return of Tischendorf of many of the books.
the 9,000 rubles
Ultimately (the full story is a long one) the Archbishop was appointed, the gift was made, and (after Tischendorf, on the request of the Archbishop, had intervened on their behalf) the return gift which the monks had no doubt always expected was obtained from the Tsar. It consisted of a sum of 9,000 roubles (a substantial price in those days) and a number of decorations.
http://www.katapi.org.uk/GBibleText/Ch3.html
The Czar sent the monastery a silver shrine for St Catherine, 7,000 rubles for the library at Sinai, and 2,000 rubles for the monks at Cairo, along with conferring Russian honorary titles on the monastery authorities. In 1863 the manuscript was published in Leipzig at the Czar's expense, from Tischendorf's meticulously accurate transcript, and preceded by his no less meticulous annotations. " from:
https://www.umass.edu/wsp/philology/gallery/tischendorf.html
===============
"Occasionally, one finds a literary texts paleographically datable two hundred years or more before it's context would indicate. (Schwendner, in Proceedings of the Helsinki Papyrological Congress, Helsinki, 2004 (Helsinki 2007)"
" NB the use of years for dating and the estimation of the lifespan, so to speak, of a literary papyrus is terribly misleading, unless there is a secure documentary date attached to it (such as a dated document on the back, vel sim.). It gives an impression of precision that is quite beyond our ability to argue for from evidence." Schwendner
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