comparing original monastery/scriptorium corrections (A, D) to those dated c. AD 700 (Ca, Cb) - CSP - Matthew

Steven Avery

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CSP
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/project/transcription_detailed.aspx

Production of the manuscript

This consists of copying by one of the scribes, and revision, by the scribe or by someone else.

*the text first written by the scribe (information about the scribe of any particular page is provided in the pop-up box at the bottom of the window)
S1a correction made in the production process, as part of the revision of the text after it had been copied, or a correction by the scribe in the copying process. These cannot always be distinguished
AScribe A
BScribe B. As a result of this transcription evidence has emerged that this scribe’s pages may be the work of two scribes:
B1responsible for all the other work attributed to B
B2copied the Minor Prophets and Hermas
DScribe D

It is sometimes possible confidently to attribute an S1 correction to one of the scribes, and thus A, B and D appear as correctors. There are good arguments in favour of presenting the corrected text as the text viewed on screen, with the first hand reading placed in the pop-up box. However, there are some serious presentational difficulties with this in many places, particularly when this ‘final text’ is written between columns or in the top or bottom margin. Our approach has been to prefer * as the main text, and then S1 as part of the correction process, apart from some very exceptional places where the * reading is erased to such an extent that it is no longer legible. In these places the main text presents the text of S1. These are for the most part places where the scribe altered the main text as he went along.

Revisions​


This consists principally of the ‘c’ group, correctors who revised the manuscript rather extensively between the fifth and seventh centuries. They are grouped into four sub-series, namely

  • ca
  • cb, which is further divided between
    • cb1
    • cb2
    • cb3
    • cb is used when the correction cannot be more accurately assigned
  • cc
  • cc*, works only in Revelation
  • cpamph
  • c indicates a change which can be attributed to the ‘c group of correctors, but not to one of the separate hands within it
  • d, a hand who rewrote faded portions of text, occasionally providing corrections (many examples in Isaiah)
  • e, a hand which made a few corrections in Proverbs, Matthew, 1 Timothy and Acts
  • corr indicates a change which cannot be attributed to a particular corrector (in principal it might include corrections made in the production of the manuscript as well as later changes)
  • corr indicates a change which cannot be attributed to a particular corrector (in principal it might include corrections made in the production of the manuscript as well as later changes)

Where more than one corrector has worked on a correction, the correctors are listed within the app tags in order in which they are listed above.

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About the correctors:

Do any of them ever write in the boxy text script?

Is there really any difference between the A or D corrections in the margin (original scribes) and the Ca or Cb corrections in the margin?

I think I have danced around this and I am trying to make it clearer.

Often we compare corrections with the main script, but that tells you very little.

We have to compare the supposededly different aged corrections.
Also possible - three crosses note and colophons.

Are the differences A, B vs Ca Cb simply individual style or do they theoretically represent 100s of years different Greek evolution?
 
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Steven Avery

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Start in Matthew

Corrector Ca
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manu...lioNo=4&lid=en&quireNo=74&side=v&zoomSlider=0
Matthew, 8:28 - 9:23 library: BL folio: 204 scribe: A
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Corrector D
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manu...lioNo=5&lid=en&quireNo=74&side=v&zoomSlider=0
Matthew, 10:17 - 11:5 library: BL folio: 205 scribe: A
1722653626860.png


Corrector A
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manu...lioNo=7&lid=en&quireNo=74&side=r&zoomSlider=0
Matthew, 12:38 - 13:16 library: BL folio: 206b scribe: A
1722654164400.png


Corrector Ca
Matthew, 15:13 - 16:9 library: BL folio: 208b scribe: A
1722670950246.png


Corrector Cb2
Matthew, 17:10 - 18:12 library: BL folio: 209b scribe: D
1722671201441.png
 
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Steven Avery

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Corrector Ca
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manu...lioNo=6&lid=en&quireNo=75&side=r&zoomSlider=0
Matthew, 23:39 - 24:35 library: BL folio: 213b scribe: A
1722671518445.png


Corrector Ca
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manu...lioNo=7&lid=en&quireNo=75&side=r&zoomSlider=0
Matthew, 25:21 - 26:6 library: BL folio: 214b scribe: D
1722671684267.png


Corrector Ca
Matthew, 26:39 - 26:72 library: BL folio: 215b scribe: A
1722671851143.png


Corrector Ca x2
Matthew, 27:30 - 27:64 library: BL folio: 216b scribe: A

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Maprchr

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I do not feel capable of making the judgment call you are asking me to make. I would need a comprehensive knowledge of non-biblical manuscripts through the ages to decide when a letter form may have appeared. If we post without knowing someone is going to post an obscure manuscript that proves me wrong in my conjecture. I'm afraid this is a non-starter
 

Maprchr

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I evaluated correction by correction and drew conclusion at the end of the pictures. I did not do it by scribe. Now that the overall is done I hope to do that.
 

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CSP
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/project/transcription_detailed.aspx
Production of the manuscript
This consists of copying by one of the scribes, and revision, by the scribe or by someone else.
“*” the text first written by the scribe (information about the scribe of any particular page is provided
in the pop-up box at the bottom of the window)

S1 a correction made in the production process, as part of the revision of the text after it had been
copied, or a correction by the scribe in the copying process. These cannot always be distinguished

A Scribe A

B Scribe B. As a result of this transcription evidence has emerged that this scribe’s pages may be the
work of two scribes:
B1 responsible for all the other work attributed to B
B2 copied the Minor Prophets and Hermas

D Scribe D

It is sometimes possible confidently to attribute an S1 correction to one of the scribes, and thus A, B and D appear as correctors. There are good arguments in favour of presenting the corrected text as the text viewed on screen, with the first hand reading placed in the pop-up box. However, there are some serious presentational difficulties with this in many places, particularly when this ‘final text’ is written between columns or in the top or bottom margin. Our approach has been to prefer * as the main text, and then S1 as part of the correction process, apart from some very exceptional places where the * reading is erased to such an extent that it is no longer legible. In these places the main text presents the text of S1. These are for the most part places where the scribe altered the main text as he went along.

Revisions?

This consists principally of the ‘c’ group, correctors who revised the manuscript rather extensively between the fifth and seventh centuries. They are grouped into four sub-series, namely
• ca
• cb, which is further divided between
• cb1
• cb2
• cb3
• cb is used when the correction cannot be more accurately assigned
• cc

2
• cc*, works only in Revelation
• cpamph
• c indicates a change which can be attributed to the ‘c group of correctors, but not to one of the separate hands within it
• d a hand who rewrote faded portions of text, occasionally providing corrections (many examples in Isaiah)
• e hand which made a few corrections in Proverbs, Matthew, 1 Timothy and Acts
• corr indicates a change which cannot be attributed to a particular corrector (in principal it might include corrections made in the production of the manuscript as well as later changes)
• corr indicates a change which cannot be attributed to a particular corrector (in principal it might include corrections made in the production of the manuscript as well as later changes)
Where more than one corrector has worked on a correction, the correctors are listed within the app tags in order in which they are listed above.
===================================================
About the correctors:
Do any of them ever write in the boxy text script?
Is there really any difference between the A or D corrections in the margin (original scribes) and the Ca or Cb corrections in the margin?
I think I have danced around this and I am trying to make it clearer.
Often we compare corrections with the main script, but that tells you very little.
We have to compare the supposedly different aged corrections.
Also possible - three crosses note and colophons.
Are the differences A, B vs Ca Cb simply individual style or do they theoretically represent 100s of years different Greek evolution?
 
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