Jehovah and "yahweh" Resource Central

Steven Avery

Administrator
June 3, 2017

This thread will have a few posts pointing to and reviewing various articles and discussions, in addition to what is on the threads in this
:
Jehovah or "yahweh" ?
forum and the Homestead Heritage forum.

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Pure Bible Forum

Jehovah or "yahweh" ?
http://www.purebibleforum.com/forumdisplay.php?85-Jehovah-or-yahweh

One of the most salient points is here:


the simplicity of the real issues
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.328

And also:


theophoric names begin with Jeho - chart !
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.352!

The Jehovah express can simply understand those basics!


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Facebook - PureBible group

PureBible - April 30, 2017
yahweh == jove/jupiter the pagan devil
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1323124964446056/

PureBible - Dec 2016
Jehovah and "yahweh" summary (all brought here)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1194501760641711/


PureBible - Dec 2016
Can anyone honestly believe that this is a coincidence?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1189046581187229/

PureBible - Sept 2016
"the imagined pagan Yahweh of the destructive critics"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1074985025926719/

PureBible - July 2016
Peter Heisey discussion (from Thomas Ross)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1025058404252715/

PureBible - Aug, 2015
JEHOVAH or oy-veh
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/850654595026431/

PureBible - Aug, 2015
Worst non-paraphrase NT
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/850614018363822/

PureBible - March, 2015
** Oy-vey is a No-thing.**
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/762322783859613/


Individual Posts

Facebook
JEHOVAH or oy-veh - Aug 22, 2015
My History with the Sacred or Qodesh namers
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/850654595026431/?comment_id=850776448347579&comment_tracking={"tn":"R9"}

Jehovah - notes on Past, Present, Future tenses
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1323124964446056/?comment_id=1339929562765596&comment_tracking={"tn":"R9"}


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Nehemia Gordon
"Have you been praying to Jupiter" - Feb, 2015

The audio can be found behind his modest contribution wall, and sometimes here and there on the net.
And I plan to do a summary review, combined with time-stamps from the talk.

PureBibleForum

extracts from "Praying to Jupiter" by Nehemia Gordon
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.315/post-760

Facebook - May, 2017 discussion thread on Nehemia's timeline

Facebook - Jan, 2017 - PureBible group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1223933187698568/

Interestingly, until about 1997, hardly anybody noted the simple vocalization truth.
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yahweh = jove
jove-pater is jupiter
ergo
calling on yahweh is calling upon the pagan devil jupiter, Jupiter is father yahweh
That means that a prayer to yahweh is a prayer to a devil.

Nehemia makes this exceedingly clear, here are two quotes:

"Have you been praying to Jupiter?"
"The greatest trick Jupiter ever pulled was convincing the world he isn't worshiped."


(more commentary on Nehemiah in short thread.)
Interviews - Douglas Hamp - Feb 14, 2017
Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report

Nicely done discussion / interview! If you are looking for a particular spot, I have a summary on PureBible on Facebook: Nehemia Gordon and Douglas Hamp
Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1245007722257781/
time-stamps
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1245007722257781/?comment_id=1245010192257534&comment_tracking={"tn":"R2"}
In the review post, I tried to catch a lot of the good quotes and spots with time-stamps.
What was missing?
“Have you been Praying to Jupiter”? - by Nehemia Gordon Jove==Yahweh understanding...
(There are other interviews, e.g. with Michael Rood.)

Revealed! The Name of God (with Michael Rood & Nehemia Gordon) - Shabbat Night Live - 10/21/16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OINxigbPEBY#t=29m55s
Nehemiah begins at 33:25, the good section is around 40:00

Gesenius page showing how he actually used the Jupiter connection in favor of the pagan yahveh, placed on Pinterest by Nehemiah Gordon


"To give my own opinion, I suppose this word to be one of the most remote antiquity, perhaps of the same origin as Jovis, Jupiter, and transferred from the Egyptians to the Hebrews." Gesenius' Hebrew Chaldee Lexicon Old Testament Scriptures, translated by Tregelles, 1857, page 337. The words in brackets are the commentary of the translator.
[What an idea! God himself revealed this as his own name; the Israelites could never have received it from the Egyptians]...- Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, translator and commentary
The Gesenius conjectural blunder opens up the Egyptian and Latin paganism theories.

"Gesenius derives the name of Ihuh from a root huh, which root does not exist in Hebrew."—Gerald Massey

Ancient Egypt, the Light of the World: A Work of Reclamation and Restitution in Twelve Books, Volume 1
https://books.google.com/books?id=3k4XAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA498
From a critic of Nehemia:

Nehemia Gordon and the Name of Yehovah
David Breetzke - Feb 11, 2013
http://scripturaltruth101.blogspot.com/2013/02/nehemia-gordon-and-name-of-yehovah.html

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Gerard Gertoux

THE NAME OF GOD YeHoWaH. ITS STORY, by Gerard Gertoux
http://www.lifespurpose.net/divinename/NameofGod1.htm

The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is pronounced as it is Written I_Eh_oU_Ah. Simplified edition - 72 pages (2015)
Gerard Gertoux
https://www.academia.edu/14029315/T..._it_is_Written_I_Eh_oU_Ah._Simplified_edition


The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is Pronounced as it is Written I Eh oU Ah: Its Story - 338 pages
http://www.amazon.com/Name-Y-eH-oW-aH-Which-Pronounced-Written/dp/0761822046

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Carl D. Franklin



"Yahweh is not the name of the God of the Old Testament. Its history can be traced back to the idolatrous worship of the Canaanite peoples who were a stumbling block to the children of Israel from the time they entered the Promised Land. The name Yahweh was well known to the worshipers of Baal, including the infamous Jezebel, under whose influence Baalism became the dominant religion in the land of Israel.

It is time to expose the demonic spirit behind the name Yahweh and to stop the spread of this name among those who profess to worship the God of the Bible."

Theological Research Report
Volume 6, Issue 26 - p. 48
May/June/July/August 2013
Carl D. Franklin
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78fS_Vf9Y1ialhYclhlYnZmLUE/view&h=ATPficf-2HMqW2D8oCBHz89tI9dKS-WAXHVgNFSO5wFMx7N3ogntmvi5_Y6KdApeAdx1ssf5Zo27jdkM6ACq7f7poNvVCxrEe8171S1HAL5kmH0UERXbbHoJ1kueKaaegdCA12KAbpJD
* Friends do not let friends call on yahweh. *

Facebook review of Carl D. Franklin material access

https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/850654595026431/

Carl D. Franklin, whose background is a Church of God group. The fact that some of his other stuff is a bit oddball is not relevant, this thread is not doing genetic fallacy, we are simply interested in sound Jehovah - Tetragram scholarship.

First, his material is in a number of papers, 3 distinct sources on the net.


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In Defense of Jehovah
An Analysis of the Article
"FACTS and MYTHS About the Sacred Name" (Aug, 9, 1998)
Carl D. Franklin
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/indefense_Jehovah.pdf
http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further_Research/franklin/indefense_Jehovah.pdf


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Debunking the Myths of Sacred Namers
Carl D. Franklin
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking1.pdf - Dec 9. 1997
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking2.pdf - Dec 24, 1997
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking3.pdf - April 20, 1999


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Theological Research Reportv- 2012-2013
Carl D. Franklin
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78fS_Vf9Y1iVWQ1Zm4tMHluTVk/view?usp=sharing #23
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78fS_Vf9Y1iX01MSmowYWFzN0E/view?usp=sharing #24
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78fS_Vf9Y1iTFZYYVN1Q3JQNzg/view #25
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78fS_Vf9Y1ialhYclhlYnZmLUE/view #26


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There are many issues, especially historical, that Carl D. Franklin handles better than anyone else.
ADDED: 10/26/2015

Finding some of this material was helped by a website by:


The Proper Pronunciation of the Sacred Name
Annoyed Pinoy (James..) - April 18,2013
http://misclane.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-proper-pronunciation-of-sacred-name.html

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David Paul Drach

Facebook discussion
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1323124964446056/?comment_id=1355777454514140&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}

Incidentally, my sense so far is that Drach is one of the strongest overall presentations of the linguistics and the basic presentation, including theophoric names (p. 480), in French:

David Paul Drach (1791-1868)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paul_Drach


defending Jehova.

De l'Harmonie entre I'Eglise et la Synagogue Vol 1 (1844)
David Paul Drach
https://archive.org/stream/delharmonieentr00unkngoog#page/n356/mode/2up/

Starting in ch. 3 p. 318. Lots of stuff is in p. 473-490.

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1903 Jewish Quarterly Review by Joseph Haim Levy. He takes apart the "vowels of Adonai" position quite adroitly.

Jewish Quarterly Review (1903)
The Tetra(?)grammaton
Joseph Haim Levy (1838-1913)

https://archive.org/stream/jewishquarterly03montgoog#page/n112/mode/2up


"Now, I am not saying that this covers all the issues. I have yet to see a really good analysis of just that one issue. I think that Nehemia Gordon touches on it, and is capable of a fine short paper. If you see one, let me know!" - SA

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Henry Clay Mabie (1847-1918)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1074985025926719/

"the imagined pagan Yahweh of the destructive critics"

We can see Mabie as among the 7000 who did not bow the knee to Baal.


1 Kings 19:18
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel,
all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal,
and every mouth which hath not kissed him.


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My post on the Adrian Reland 1707 book with 10 papers.

Ten Philological Dissertations on the True Pronunciation of the Name Jehovah. By Reland. Utrecht, 1707.
(Containing five treatises in favor of Jehovah : one each by N. Fuller and T. Gataker, and three by J. Leusden ;
and five treatises against Jehovah : one each by J. Drusius, S. Amama, L. Capellus, J. Buxtorf, and J. Alting.)
https://books.google.com/books?id=ZywAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA296

Facebook - PureBible
Adriaan Reland work with many dissertations (Latin)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1323124964446056/?comment_id=1342198569205362&comment_tracking={"tn":"R9"}
A key book, first published in 1707, by Adriaan Reland, is the :

Decas Exercitationum philologicarum de vera pronuntiatione Nominis Jehova impugnant, posteriores tuentur. Cum praefatione Hadriani Relandi.
1707

https://books.google.com/books?id=dCNmAAAAcAAJ&g=PA1
http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/id/1416384
1709

https://books.google.com/books?id=EE9gAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA1

The writers here are:

Adriaan Reland (1676-1718) (preface)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriaan_Reland

Johann Drusius (1550-1616)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_van_den_Driesche

Sixtus Amama (1593-1629)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixtinus_Amama

Louis Cappel (1585-1658)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Cappel

Johann Buxtorf (1564-1629)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Buxtorf

(Written 1620 - the elder Buxtorf, as described here
https://books.google.com/books?id=1xyoBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA475 )

Johann Heinrich Alting (1583-1644)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_Alting

Nicholas Fuller (1557-1626)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Fuller

Thomas Gateker (1575-1654)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gataker

Johann Leusden (1624-1699)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Leusden

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Other Forums on the Net


Bible Criticism and History Forum
yahweh == jupiter
http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3050

Apostolic Friends Forum - Jan, 2017
connecting dots - Acts 14 pagan Jupiter is yahweh
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=50557

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The Covenant Name of God: Jehovah or Yahweh?
Thomas Ross
http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-covenant-name-of-god-jehovah-or.html



".... one would also need to maintain that every name in the Bible that begins with part of the Tetragrammaton has also been corrupted. Jehoadah would really be something like Yahwadah; Jehoahaz would be Yahwahaz; Jehoash would be Yahwahash, and so on. Furthermore, no theophoric names anywhere in Scripture end with an eh, the expected ending were the Name pronounced Yahweh. Similarly, the word Hallelujah and the Greek Alleluia validate the ah at the end of the Divine Name."
Jehovah
Scott Jones
https://web.archive.org/web/2007121...blion.net:80/Articles/ScottJones/jehovah1.htm

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Who is this Deity Named Yahweh?
Thomas M. Strouse
http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/CriticalTexts/yahweh.htm
http://www.geocentricity.com/bible/whoisyahweh.pdf

My Facebook Review
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/850654595026431/?comment_id=881913751900515&comment_tracking={"tn":"R4"}


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Who is Yahweh?
John Hinton

http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bible-corrections/Yahweh-Jehova-YHVH.html

My Facebook Review
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/850654595026431/?comment_id=881937175231506&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}

John gives more on the linguistics and covers a few additional points.
What I found most interesting is some quotes from In Awe of Thy Word by Gail Riplinger. As is my style, I plan to do some checking on the points made.

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Chris Clark
https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris-w-clark/yehovah-hu-ha-elohim/10154716010248935/
Masoretic mss listed and discussed.


Chris is helping to document the situation with elements like the Masoretic Text mss which have been examined by Nehemia and others.

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Additional Resources (often a mixed bag, doctrinally)

Jonathan Lankford

Gary Mink

Cohen Reckhart

Hope of Israel Ministries
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/GodsName.html


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Jupiter Sound-Identity Connection to Yahweh exposed in the 1990s and early 2000s
Yahweh: god of the Christians
John David Clark, Sr. - March, 1997
http://www.isaiah58.com/broadcasters/yahweh.htm
Patrick Lawrence (2005)
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/allisrael/conversations/topics/5473
http://ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/thread/1323/shocking-name-yahweh

Eliyah forum

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Latin Discussion
similarity of vocalization of IOVE and Yahweh
http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/similarity-of-vocalization-of-iove-and-yahweh.27878/

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Notes - from Facebook or PBF find my other quote about the fundamental significance
Jesus is the name above quotes
George F. Moore
August Tholuck 1834
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Steven Avery

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AV verses with Jehovah and Jah

Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
by the name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Psalms 83:18
That men may know that thou,
whose name alone is JEHOVAH,
art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation;
I will trust, and not be afraid:
for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song;
he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4
Trust ye in the LORD for ever:
for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

Genesis 22:14
And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh:
as it is said to this day,
In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Exodus 17:15
And Moses built an altar,
and called the name of it Jehovah-nissi:

Judges 6:24
Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD,
and called it Jehovah-shalom:
unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites.

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Psalm 68:4
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name:
extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him.

 
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Steven Avery

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Thanks for putting this together Steven!
Most welcome! I’ll try for some expansion of this material in the days ahead. It is our responsibility before the Lord Jesus to affirm our pure scriptures, and to actively counter the plague of yahwehism.

Nehemia just put out a talk about Hebraic souces .. “10 Rabbis...” that looks like it will be prime material.

The two Zohar references are in a recent CARM thread, as well as the Facebook PureBible forum. Incredible!

I’m limited on iPad right now, by Monday will try to have more done.
 
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Steven Avery

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Steven Avery

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Moore
The lexicon in general use in Germany in the latter part of the eighteenth century was that of I. Simon (1752; 2d ed., 1771). Simon defended the pronunciation Jehovah, which he regarded as representing the three tenses of (Hebrew).

Simonis, Johann, 1698-1768.
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Simonis, Johann, 1698-1768
Benedikt Winer did a later edition of this lexicon.

A History and Guide to Judaic Dictionaries and Concordances, Part 1 (2000)
By Shimeon Brisman
https://books.google.com/books?id=AuuBhRQFf0MC&pg=PA64
Several revised editions of the Lexicon were issued during the next several decades; the best revised edition, prepared by G. B. Winer, was published in Leipzig by Fleischer in 1828. An English edition was published in London in 1832.2

https://books.google.com/books?id=AuuBhRQFf0MC&pg=PA173
 

Steven Avery

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Johann Friedrich von Meyer (12 September 1772 – 28 January 1849)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Friedrich_von_Meyer

Jehovah - Blätter für höhere Wahrheit: Typik (German Edition): Meyer, Johann Friedrich von: Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Blätter-für-höhere-Wahrheit-German/dp/3750330468

Meyer
https://www.google.com/search?q="(Michaelis%2C+Supplem.+p.+524%3B+Meyer%2C+Blätter+für+höhere+Wahrheit%2C+11%2C+p.+306)%2C"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Meyer, J. F. says Jehovah correct
https://books.google.co.il/books?id=VcoUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA183#v=onepage&q&f=false

Pulpit Commentary
https://books.google.com/books?id=DtEUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA40

Meyer, Blätter für höhere Wahrheit, 11, p. 306),"
Is that Volume 11 ?
https://www.google.com/search?q="(Michaelis%2C+Supplem.+p.+524%3B+Meyer%2C+Blätter+für+höhere+Wahrheit%2C+11%2C+p.+306)%2C"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


Not
Meyer, Heinrich August Wilhelm - (1800-1873)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_August_Wilhelm_Meyer
 
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Arikel88

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We see Jehova and Elohim are names God's people gave to their creator but we do not know for certain but we know Hebrew did know of his name but to avoid desecration the name was forgotten because of times, errors, and the our language as babylon we cannot pronounce the name correctly. The bible in psalms and proverbs also says his name differently what we can understand his name is also " Strong Tower ". Before the flood their was also another name but we do not know.


Does God have A real name which he told to Adam ? Yes.

We know one day we will know it ! But we can also call him " The God Of Abraham, Isaac, And Jacob" another way we can call him respectively.
 
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