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This came out of a challenge by Joshua Alfaro posted on bluesky
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Nelson Hsieh
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I think the bombshell for those of us who already disagreed with Payne was the discovery that the reinked ink (we thought 10th/11th cent) is similar to the original ink (4th cent), which blows up a lot of our understanding of the layers in Vaticanus. Unless…we can explain how the same type of 4th century ink somehow still existed 600+ years later. Nehemia is still searching for an explanation because he finds this discovery hard to believe.
Hefin Jones
Eric Rowe Here's some more from Cambridge University on Nehemiah Gordon's work on Hebrew texts and with BAM. Its a very chatty interview but on his academic work in this area. It touches on his ex-Orthodox now-Karaite beliefs and whether or not they should influence his research:
https://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/genizah-fragments/posts/qa-wednesday-bible-under-microscope-nehemia-gordon
Joshua Alfaro
Eric Rowe yes. Nehemia Gordon actually has a legitimate PhD from Bar Ilan. He presented 3 papers at SBL this year including this one. But on his 37.5k subscriber Youtube channel, tv shows, and in his self-published books he promotes pseudo-scholarly views which would never pass peer review. Since he is evidently a competent, educated scholar who can produce legitimate work, I am (very reluctantly!) forced to conclude that he is simply being dishonest in his views that he promotes in his public scholarship. He realized that there is a market for sensationalistic claims about “lost” Hebrew gospels and the pronunciation of the divine name. Given his promotion of pseudoscholarship to a huge audience in public venues, I think it is extremely ethically questionable as to whether scholars should support his work and participation in scholarly conferences, even if some of it is legitimate. But the SBL session chairs (like Kim Philips, who is employed by Gordon) seem to think his public scholarship is irrelevant.
Stephen C. Carlson
Hefin Jones yes, the source of iron for the original ink and thw reinking ink appears to be the same. This puts pressure on dating the reinking to much closer to the initial inking than thought.
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Vasile Babota
Some years ago I focused on Ezekiel but this gives an idea of how Versace locates his B-hands, from B1 to B38
Stephen C. Carlson
Micro x-ray flourescence. The results are very precise and definitive. The umlauts/distigmai can now be assign to early modern textual criticism. It also suggests that the reinking may have been earlier than thought.
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Nelson Hsieh
https://www.facebook.com/groups/114...693&reply_comment_i[I]d=10159202750942693[/I]
I think the bombshell for those of us who already disagreed with Payne was the discovery that the reinked ink (we thought 10th/11th cent) is similar to the original ink (4th cent), which blows up a lot of our understanding of the layers in Vaticanus. Unless…we can explain how the same type of 4th century ink somehow still existed 600+ years later. Nehemia is still searching for an explanation because he finds this discovery hard to believe.
Hefin Jones
Eric Rowe Here's some more from Cambridge University on Nehemiah Gordon's work on Hebrew texts and with BAM. Its a very chatty interview but on his academic work in this area. It touches on his ex-Orthodox now-Karaite beliefs and whether or not they should influence his research:
https://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/genizah-fragments/posts/qa-wednesday-bible-under-microscope-nehemia-gordon
Joshua Alfaro
Eric Rowe yes. Nehemia Gordon actually has a legitimate PhD from Bar Ilan. He presented 3 papers at SBL this year including this one. But on his 37.5k subscriber Youtube channel, tv shows, and in his self-published books he promotes pseudo-scholarly views which would never pass peer review. Since he is evidently a competent, educated scholar who can produce legitimate work, I am (very reluctantly!) forced to conclude that he is simply being dishonest in his views that he promotes in his public scholarship. He realized that there is a market for sensationalistic claims about “lost” Hebrew gospels and the pronunciation of the divine name. Given his promotion of pseudoscholarship to a huge audience in public venues, I think it is extremely ethically questionable as to whether scholars should support his work and participation in scholarly conferences, even if some of it is legitimate. But the SBL session chairs (like Kim Philips, who is employed by Gordon) seem to think his public scholarship is irrelevant.
Stephen C. Carlson
Hefin Jones yes, the source of iron for the original ink and thw reinking ink appears to be the same. This puts pressure on dating the reinking to much closer to the initial inking than thought.
Versace
Vasile Babota
Some years ago I focused on Ezekiel but this gives an idea of how Versace locates his B-hands, from B1 to B38
Stephen C. Carlson
Micro x-ray flourescence. The results are very precise and definitive. The umlauts/distigmai can now be assign to early modern textual criticism. It also suggests that the reinking may have been earlier than thought.
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