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PBF threads on Ebionite, Adoptionist late beliefs (non-Apostolic), denial of Virgin Birth and snipping the Bible
John Gresham Machen (1881- 1937)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gresham_Machen
The Virgin Birth of Christ (1930)
by J. Gresham Machen
https://books.google.com/books?id=qG7f9wT1uqIC&pg=PA393
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/machen/virginbirth_p.pdf
https://books.google.com/books?id=dAAMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA642
1. The external attestation. The New Testament account of the birth of Jesus and of related events is contained in Luke 1:5–2 (with Luke 3:23–38) and in Matt. 1, 2. This account is therefore contained in two of the New Testament books, whose attestation is so strong as to make it practically impossible that they were written after the close of the first century, and exceedingly probable that they were written very much earlier. Nor is there any external evidence really worth considering to show that these Gospels did not originally contain the accounts of the birth. These accounts appear in all the Greek manuscripts, in all the ancient versions and in the Diatessaron of Tatian (omitting the genealogies). It is true that Cerinthus and Carpocrates and a class of Jewish Christians did not believe in the virgin birth, and did not accept those portions of the Gospels which supported that doctrine; but it is pretty evident that their action was motived by dogmatic rather than historical considerations. Even if it is held that heresy in the early Church was, inmost cases, a tenacious holding to the ancient simplicity in the face of the developing theology of the Church, yet this does not affect the narrower textual question now under discussion. It may be perfectly true, for example, that a certain class of Ebionites were not mistaken in regarding the natural birth of Christ as the correct original belief; yet it is evident that their omission of the openingchapters of Matthew and Luke was not textually justified. Perhaps the Ebionites were right in refusing to assert that the virgin birth was fact; in any case, there is no good reason to suppose that they were right in omitting the account of that supposed fact from their copies of the first and third Gospels.1
We conclude, then, that there is no external evidence of any account to show that the Gospel of Luke ever existed without the first two chapters.
https://books.google.com/books?id=dAAMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA644
And in view of the undisputed unity of style and diction between 1:18–2:23 and the rest of the Gospel—a unity far too perfect to be explained as due merely to a common redactor—we may safely agree finally with J. Weiss when he declares that there never were forms of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke without theinfancy narratives.59
For the Ebionites mentioned by Irenaeus mayhave used some gospel which has been lost; or they may have adapted the canonical Matthew to their peculiar doctrines in some suchway as Marcion adapted Luke.
A careful literary criticism does, we think, in an extraordinarily decisive way, show that thebelief in the virgin birth is an integral part of the Palestinian narrative underlying Lk. 1:5–2:52; and this fact has an important bearingupon the ultimate historical question as to the origin of the belief.
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Note: Machem was a liberal, talks of redactors, interpolator, before 80 AD, and the Gentile Theophilus. And had their purification include Joseph.
Interesting
6 It is not true that Jewish-Christians, on account of the examples of Isaac, Samson and Samuel, etc., would already be expecting something like a virgin birth,so that the Septuagint translation of Isaiah, even though not very convincing, would still be able to supply a strong enough impulse tolead to the definite formulation of the doctrine as we find it in Matt. 1 and Luke 1. For the step from a birth by promise, such as that ofIsaac, to a birth without human father, such as that of Jesus, is by no means an "easy step," as is often asserted, but involvespractically the whole of the mystery. The conception by means of an extraordinary power given to men is quite in accord with theworkings of God in Providence—though it may exceed them in degree—whereas it is just the exclusion of the human agency thatgives the miracle of the virgin birth that peculiar character which is so difficult to explain. Such cases as Isaac and Samson do notreally go very far in explaining the origin of the unique idea as reflected in the narratives of Matthew and Luke. To bridge the gap isespecially hard upon Jewish ground. (continues)
Ebionite notes
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/ebionite-notes.1862/
Ehrman presuppositional approach - the early church was adoptionist and ebionite
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...arly-church-was-adoptionist-and-ebionite.969/
John Gresham Machen (1881- 1937)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gresham_Machen
The Virgin Birth of Christ (1930)
by J. Gresham Machen
https://books.google.com/books?id=qG7f9wT1uqIC&pg=PA393
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/machen/virginbirth_p.pdf
The Ebionite deniers of the virgin birth have never been traced back to primitive times, and it has never been shown that they were at heart Christians at all. - p. 393
https://books.google.com/books?id=dAAMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA642
1. The external attestation. The New Testament account of the birth of Jesus and of related events is contained in Luke 1:5–2 (with Luke 3:23–38) and in Matt. 1, 2. This account is therefore contained in two of the New Testament books, whose attestation is so strong as to make it practically impossible that they were written after the close of the first century, and exceedingly probable that they were written very much earlier. Nor is there any external evidence really worth considering to show that these Gospels did not originally contain the accounts of the birth. These accounts appear in all the Greek manuscripts, in all the ancient versions and in the Diatessaron of Tatian (omitting the genealogies). It is true that Cerinthus and Carpocrates and a class of Jewish Christians did not believe in the virgin birth, and did not accept those portions of the Gospels which supported that doctrine; but it is pretty evident that their action was motived by dogmatic rather than historical considerations. Even if it is held that heresy in the early Church was, inmost cases, a tenacious holding to the ancient simplicity in the face of the developing theology of the Church, yet this does not affect the narrower textual question now under discussion. It may be perfectly true, for example, that a certain class of Ebionites were not mistaken in regarding the natural birth of Christ as the correct original belief; yet it is evident that their omission of the openingchapters of Matthew and Luke was not textually justified. Perhaps the Ebionites were right in refusing to assert that the virgin birth was fact; in any case, there is no good reason to suppose that they were right in omitting the account of that supposed fact from their copies of the first and third Gospels.1
We conclude, then, that there is no external evidence of any account to show that the Gospel of Luke ever existed without the first two chapters.
https://books.google.com/books?id=dAAMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA644
And in view of the undisputed unity of style and diction between 1:18–2:23 and the rest of the Gospel—a unity far too perfect to be explained as due merely to a common redactor—we may safely agree finally with J. Weiss when he declares that there never were forms of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke without theinfancy narratives.59
For the Ebionites mentioned by Irenaeus mayhave used some gospel which has been lost; or they may have adapted the canonical Matthew to their peculiar doctrines in some suchway as Marcion adapted Luke.
A careful literary criticism does, we think, in an extraordinarily decisive way, show that thebelief in the virgin birth is an integral part of the Palestinian narrative underlying Lk. 1:5–2:52; and this fact has an important bearingupon the ultimate historical question as to the origin of the belief.
================================
Note: Machem was a liberal, talks of redactors, interpolator, before 80 AD, and the Gentile Theophilus. And had their purification include Joseph.
Interesting
6 It is not true that Jewish-Christians, on account of the examples of Isaac, Samson and Samuel, etc., would already be expecting something like a virgin birth,so that the Septuagint translation of Isaiah, even though not very convincing, would still be able to supply a strong enough impulse tolead to the definite formulation of the doctrine as we find it in Matt. 1 and Luke 1. For the step from a birth by promise, such as that ofIsaac, to a birth without human father, such as that of Jesus, is by no means an "easy step," as is often asserted, but involvespractically the whole of the mystery. The conception by means of an extraordinary power given to men is quite in accord with theworkings of God in Providence—though it may exceed them in degree—whereas it is just the exclusion of the human agency thatgives the miracle of the virgin birth that peculiar character which is so difficult to explain. Such cases as Isaac and Samson do notreally go very far in explaining the origin of the unique idea as reflected in the narratives of Matthew and Luke. To bridge the gap isespecially hard upon Jewish ground. (continues)
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