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colossians 1:20 Hebrews 9:22 "ron wyatt"
Bible verses on the blood of Jesus, remission of sins, atonement
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colossians 1:20 Hebrews 9:22 "ron wyatt"
According to Hebrews 9:12, did the Lord Jesus Christ offer his blood in heaven?
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....e-lord-jesus-christ-offer-his-blood-in-heaven
the "first part" of the tabernacle Heb 9:6), but Christ entered "into heaven itself" (Heb 9:24). Heaven is paralleled only to the oneholy place that could only be entered once a year, which was "the most holy place," or the "second part" of the tabernacle (Heb 9:7), where the mercy seat was, and which place believers are now boldly to enter into (Heb 10:19) because the veil to that place was Christ (Heb 10:20).
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Hebrews explicitly indicates that "by Himself" Christ purgedsins (Heb 1:3), that by His sacrifice sin is put away (Heb 9:26), that sin was carried upon Him during the offering of Himself (Heb 9:28), so that sin would be taken away (Heb 10:11-12). Christ's body (including His blood) was a prepared body for such a sacrifice (Heb 10:5-10), and His offering on the cross had a spiritual aspect involved in the offering (Heb 9:14). His death broke the veil of His mortal flesh (Heb 10:20), which veil had separated humanity from direct access to God in heaven (Heb 10:19; so now one can have hope through Jesus, Heb 6:19).
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Therefore, the Mercy Seat of Heaven, of which the Ark of the Covenant was a 'type' of, was made available through the Perfect Blood of Jesus throughout all time "for without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sin)".(Heb. 9:22)
Interestingly, Ron Wyatt, who some discredit had searched for the Ark of the Covenant, hidden by the Prophet Jeremiah during the Babylonian Siege. His claim is he found it, though was unable to extract it, and where he was told to look for it was directly underneath the post holes the Roman's dug at Golgotha, the site of the crucifixion. His photographs indicate 3 holes dug, with the center one cracked(through the earthquake at the time of Jesus's death). He found a cavern which was buried and had to be excavated by hand, which revealed the sacred objects of the Temple-and the Ark of the Covenant, which was covered in a brown substance, which he had examined and was determined to be blood. Since the Ark of the Covenant is our only picture of Heaven's Mercy Seat, isn't it fitting that the writer of Hebrews lent credence on earth to what is done in Heaven, doesn't the Lord's Prayer say,
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According to Hebrews 9:12, did the Lord Jesus Christ offer his blood in heaven?
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....e-lord-jesus-christ-offer-his-blood-in-heaven
the "first part" of the tabernacle Heb 9:6), but Christ entered "into heaven itself" (Heb 9:24). Heaven is paralleled only to the oneholy place that could only be entered once a year, which was "the most holy place," or the "second part" of the tabernacle (Heb 9:7), where the mercy seat was, and which place believers are now boldly to enter into (Heb 10:19) because the veil to that place was Christ (Heb 10:20).
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Hebrews explicitly indicates that "by Himself" Christ purgedsins (Heb 1:3), that by His sacrifice sin is put away (Heb 9:26), that sin was carried upon Him during the offering of Himself (Heb 9:28), so that sin would be taken away (Heb 10:11-12). Christ's body (including His blood) was a prepared body for such a sacrifice (Heb 10:5-10), and His offering on the cross had a spiritual aspect involved in the offering (Heb 9:14). His death broke the veil of His mortal flesh (Heb 10:20), which veil had separated humanity from direct access to God in heaven (Heb 10:19; so now one can have hope through Jesus, Heb 6:19).
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Therefore, the Mercy Seat of Heaven, of which the Ark of the Covenant was a 'type' of, was made available through the Perfect Blood of Jesus throughout all time "for without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sin)".(Heb. 9:22)
Interestingly, Ron Wyatt, who some discredit had searched for the Ark of the Covenant, hidden by the Prophet Jeremiah during the Babylonian Siege. His claim is he found it, though was unable to extract it, and where he was told to look for it was directly underneath the post holes the Roman's dug at Golgotha, the site of the crucifixion. His photographs indicate 3 holes dug, with the center one cracked(through the earthquake at the time of Jesus's death). He found a cavern which was buried and had to be excavated by hand, which revealed the sacred objects of the Temple-and the Ark of the Covenant, which was covered in a brown substance, which he had examined and was determined to be blood. Since the Ark of the Covenant is our only picture of Heaven's Mercy Seat, isn't it fitting that the writer of Hebrews lent credence on earth to what is done in Heaven, doesn't the Lord's Prayer say,
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https://m.facebook.com/groups/Prete...lood-of-jesus-do-any-of-y/27459609133682541/?
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Hebrews 9:22 (AV)
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Colossians !:20 (AV)
“And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they bethings in earth, or things in heaven.”
Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves,
but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place,
having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:24 (AV)
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands,
which are the figures of the true;
but into heaven itself,
now to appear in the presence of God for us:
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Leviticus 17:11-12 (AV)
Jeremiah 3:15-16
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart,
which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
“And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.”
Revelation 11:19
“And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Colossians !:20 (AV)
“And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they bethings in earth, or things in heaven.”
Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves,
but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place,
having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:24 (AV)
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands,
which are the figures of the true;
but into heaven itself,
now to appear in the presence of God for us:
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Leviticus 17:11-12 (AV)
Jeremiah 3:15-16
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart,
which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
“And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.”
Revelation 11:19
“And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
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The Church Fathers don't seem to believe that the Lord did any such thing after His death on the cross. Cyril of Jerusalem refers to Hebrews 9:12 in his explanation of the Lord's last words, It is finished [John 19:30]:
Unless one speculates that somehow the Lord bilocated during his last moments, what Hebrews is describing took place as the Lord died on the cross.
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10. 2 Maccabees 2 must be wrong.
4 It was also in the writing that the prophet, having received an oracle, ordered that the tent and the ark should follow with him, and that he went out to the mountain where Moses had gone up and had seen the inheritance of God. 5 And Jeremiah came and found a cave, and he brought there the tent and the ark and the altar of incense, and he sealed up the entrance. 6 Some of those who followed him came up to mark the way, but could not find it. 7 When Jeremiah learned of it, he rebuked them and declared: “The place shall be unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows his mercy. 8 And then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will appear, as they were shown in the case of Moses, and as Solomon asked that the place should be specially consecrated.”
11. Jeremiah 3:16 says the Ark will never be found? ( It actually says the Ark won't be remembered or missed, which has been true for 2600 years, but 2 Maccabees 2 says that the Ark's location would remain unknown UNTIL God Gathers His people, which He has now done. And the Ark is seen and remember in Revelations 11:
https://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/arc_of_the_covenant/
4 It was also in the writing that the prophet, having received an oracle, ordered that the tent and the ark should follow with him, and that he went out to the mountain where Moses had gone up and had seen the inheritance of God. 5 And Jeremiah came and found a cave, and he brought there the tent and the ark and the altar of incense, and he sealed up the entrance. 6 Some of those who followed him came up to mark the way, but could not find it. 7 When Jeremiah learned of it, he rebuked them and declared: “The place shall be unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows his mercy. 8 And then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will appear, as they were shown in the case of Moses, and as Solomon asked that the place should be specially consecrated.”
11. Jeremiah 3:16 says the Ark will never be found? ( It actually says the Ark won't be remembered or missed, which has been true for 2600 years, but 2 Maccabees 2 says that the Ark's location would remain unknown UNTIL God Gathers His people, which He has now done. And the Ark is seen and remember in Revelations 11:
https://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/arc_of_the_covenant/
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Don Preston - Preterist
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Pre...tif_id=1732016565884673¬if_t=group_comment
Don K. Preston
Tom Mills Add to all of this is the fact that according to Jeremiah 3:15-16, the Ark either already had been destroyed when Jeremiah wrote, or was shortly to be destroyed, and "It will no longer be remembered, nor shall it come to mind, nor shall it be built again."
Thus, THERE WAS NO ARK UNDER JESUS' CROSS FOR HIS BLOOD TO POUR DOWN THROUGH THE ROCKS!
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Don K. Preston - I notice you did not quote the verses.
Yes, it is true that for many years the Ark was no longer remembered, but again, you <snipped> the verse.. oops losing context.
You should learn to QUOTE verses you intend to misinterpret.
There is also a connected historical account in 2 Maccabees (not scripture.)
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"THERE WAS NO ARK UNDER JESUS' CROSS"
Spoken pseudo-authoritatively, note the CAPS without any actual backing.
Don K. Preston
Steven Avery
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the Lord, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
Show me how I mis-used the text.
Show me where I misinterpreted the text.
I cited the text that said the Ark would not be remembered anymore.
I cited the text that said the Ark would not be built again.
Show me where and how I misinterpreted the text instead of making accusations without demonstration.
Steven Avery
Don K. Preston - "I cited the text that said the Ark would not be built again."
And how is this relevant? Where does anybody speak of the Ark being built again?
Have you actually studied these Ark of the Covenant issues, or are you simply grab-bagging wildly?
Don K. Preston
Steven Avery I have studied the Ark issues extensively through the years. I challenged you to show where I misinterpreted or misapplied Jeremiah. You have not done so. Thus, your accusation is false.
God said that the Ark would not be remembered anymore. The word 'remembered" is from Zakar, and means a covenantal remembrance. That means that the covenant, that the Ark represented, would not be remembered, i.e. no longer be binding.
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Steven Haukdahl - the argument based on Jeremiah 3:16 is extremely weak, and the verse can cut in favor of rediscovery after a long period of invisibility and puzzlement.
Don Preston - Preterist
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Pre...tif_id=1732016565884673¬if_t=group_comment
Don K. Preston
Tom Mills Add to all of this is the fact that according to Jeremiah 3:15-16, the Ark either already had been destroyed when Jeremiah wrote, or was shortly to be destroyed, and "It will no longer be remembered, nor shall it come to mind, nor shall it be built again."
Thus, THERE WAS NO ARK UNDER JESUS' CROSS FOR HIS BLOOD TO POUR DOWN THROUGH THE ROCKS!
Steven Avery
Author
Don K. Preston - I notice you did not quote the verses.
Yes, it is true that for many years the Ark was no longer remembered, but again, you <snipped> the verse.. oops losing context.
You should learn to QUOTE verses you intend to misinterpret.
There is also a connected historical account in 2 Maccabees (not scripture.)
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"THERE WAS NO ARK UNDER JESUS' CROSS"
Spoken pseudo-authoritatively, note the CAPS without any actual backing.
Don K. Preston
Steven Avery
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the Lord, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
Show me how I mis-used the text.
Show me where I misinterpreted the text.
I cited the text that said the Ark would not be remembered anymore.
I cited the text that said the Ark would not be built again.
Show me where and how I misinterpreted the text instead of making accusations without demonstration.
Steven Avery
Don K. Preston - "I cited the text that said the Ark would not be built again."
And how is this relevant? Where does anybody speak of the Ark being built again?
Have you actually studied these Ark of the Covenant issues, or are you simply grab-bagging wildly?
Don K. Preston
Steven Avery I have studied the Ark issues extensively through the years. I challenged you to show where I misinterpreted or misapplied Jeremiah. You have not done so. Thus, your accusation is false.
God said that the Ark would not be remembered anymore. The word 'remembered" is from Zakar, and means a covenantal remembrance. That means that the covenant, that the Ark represented, would not be remembered, i.e. no longer be binding.
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Steven Haukdahl - the argument based on Jeremiah 3:16 is extremely weak, and the verse can cut in favor of rediscovery after a long period of invisibility and puzzlement.
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