(Gaius) Marius Victorinus (Afer)

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(Gaius) Marius Victorinus (Afer) .. note the various three are one quotes, and the hymn contra Arians

Gaius Marius Victorinus
- (fl 4th century)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius_Victorinus

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Grantley may be giving three good spots in one paragraph.
Five total.


Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum […].”
https://books.google.com/books?id=KTIAWFyMyfsC&pg=PA497
http://www.mlat.uzh.ch/download_pl/...file=008_Marius-Victorinus_Adversus-Arium.xml - change the xml ?



Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154:
“Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=uDIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA154
https://books.google.com/books?id=mNza_1QUFKoC&pg=PA474



Adversus Arium III.18, CSEL 83:223:
“Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=F8Hmq2N-I-8C&pg=PA70
https://books.google.com/books?id=uDIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA223


The one here might be TWOGIG on the Philippians Commentary

Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi;
Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1)

Adversus Arium - III 18 S. 133, 31 f -Matthias Baltes


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TWOGIG

HITS:
[Commentary on Philippians] Remember that God is one, his Son is one and his Holy Spirit is one, and all three are one. If so, then we too ought to be one in our thoughts, so as to”be of the same mind”with the one God. Then it follows that we are to”have the same love.”To be of the same mind pertains to knowledge, while to have the same love pertains to discipline, to the conduct of life.
(Marius Victorinus; Epistles to the Philippians 2.5)

o Latin: Etenim si unus Deus, si unus eius filius, si unus Spiritus sanctus est, si omnia ista tria unum, ita debemus et nos unum habere quod sentimus, ut idem sentiamus omnes. Deinde sequitur ut eamdem dilectionem exerceamus. Hoc iam ad moralem disciplinam, id est ad vitam pertinet; illud ad scientiam.
(Marii Victorini Afri, In Epistolam Pauli ad Philippenses Liber 2, verse 5; Migne Latina, PL 8.1205)

[Against Arius, Book 1.12] And what does he [the Holy Spirit] say?”Whatever I shall have said,”(Jn 14:26) said Christ.”I shall have said”is in the future. What future? Not the immediate future, but the one that comes after his ascent to the Father. And if this is so, the Paraclete coming from God in the name of Christ teaches what Jesus says. Is it therefore Jesus himself, or another Jesus, or is Jesus present in this other Paraclete, that is, the Holy Spirit, as God is present in him? Although existing as three in a series, these three are also one (et unum sunt tria) and the three are homoousion (consubstantial). For Christ certainly says: ”I go away and I am coming to you,”(Jn 14:28) and ”You will be given by God another Paraclete”(Jn 14:16) who has from me all that he has; and all that the Father has he has given to me. Indeed the whole mystery is this: the Father, unacting act, the Son, acting act in respect to creating, but the Holy Spirit, acting act in respect to recreating. But these things have also been said in other books.
(Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 1; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 104-105)

○ Latin: Et quae loquitur [sanctus spiritus]?”Quaecumque dixero,”(Jn 14:26) dixit Christus.”Dixero”de futuro est. De quo futuro? Non eo quod nonc, sed eo quod est post ascendere ad patrem. Et si istud, paraclitus veniens a deo in nomine Christi illa docet, quaedicit Iesus. Ipse ergo Iesus, an ipse alter Iesus, an in ipso altero paraclito, hoc est spiritu sancto, inest Iesus, sicut in ipso deus? Ista haec, serie tribus existentibus, et unum sunt tria, et ὁμοούσιον tria, quippe dicente Christ:”eo et venio ad vos” (Jn 14:28) et:”a deo alius dabitur vobis paraclitus,”(Jn 14:16) qui quaecumque habet, a me habet; et quaecumque habet pater, tradidit mihi omnia. Etenim omne mysterium hoc est: pater inoperans operatio, filius operans operatio in id quod est regenerare, sanctus autem spiritus operans operatio in id quod est regenerare. Sed ista quidem et in aliis dicta.
(Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 1; Migne Latina, PL 8.1047)

[Against Arius, Book 3.4] ...these three [Father, Son, Holy Spirit] are one in substance, three in subsistence. For since they have their own power and signification and they also are as they are named, necessarily they are both three and nevertheless one, since the three constitute together each unity, that each one is singly. This is expressed by the Greeks in this way:”here are three hypostases from one substance". (Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 3.4; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 227-228)

○ Latin: substantia unum, subsistentia tria sunt ista : cum enim vim ac significantiam suam habeant, aique ut dicuntur et sunt; necessario et sunt tria, et tamen unum, cum omne quod singulum est unum, tria sint. Idque a Graecis ita dicitur: ἐκ μιᾶς οὐσίας τρεῖς εἶναι τὰς ὑποστάσεις. (Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 3; Migne Latina, PL 8.1101-1102)

We might have some good commentary additions to Fiano and other references.

Similarly Augustine and the others here from Grantley should be checked.

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RGA - p. 23
of the post-Nicene Fathers, Marius Victorinus († after 362) in Adversus Arium IA.8, 9, 13, 29; III.17; IV.10; in De generatione divini verbi 1; and in Commentarium in Ephes. II.5.2;

RGA - p. 25
Thus we find Marius Victorinus, Augustine and Isidore of Seville citing the phrase in the form tria unum.28
 
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CARM - thread on Arians Sing Against the Three are One
https://forums.carm.org/threads/ari...ies-in-the-early-centuries.10736/#post-831984

Here is one that looks like the orthodox flip-side to the Arians singing against the three are one!

Marius Victorinus
or .. (Gaius) Marius Victorinus (Afer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius_Victorinus

Gaius Marius Victorinus (also known as Victorinus Afer; fl. 4th century) was a Roman grammarian, rhetorician and Neoplatonic philosopher. Victorinus was African by birth and experienced the height of his career during the reign of Constantius II. He is also known for translating two of Aristotle's books from ancient Greek into Latin: the Categories and On Interpretation (De Interpretatione).[1] Victorinus had a religious conversion, from being a pagan to a Christian, "at an advanced old age" (c. 355).

The Witness of God is Greater

Hymn]
The three are therefore one,
And three times over,
Thrice are the three one,
O Blessed Trinity.

o Tres ergo unum,
et ergo ter,
ergo ter tres unum:
o beata Trinitas.
• Marii Victorini Afri, Hymnus 3, Migne Latina, PL 8.1146

The Epistles and Gospels of the Sundays Throughout the Year, Volume 2 (1866)
Daniel McCarthy
https://books.google.com/books?id=SuxS-z-6SIUC&pg=PA516

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Marius Victorinus has additional writings related to the heavenly witnesses verse, writing against the Arians and in his Commentary on Philippians. Grantley Robert McDonald gave him some note in Raising the Ghost of Arius, The Witness of God is Greater has good material and I am adding some from the verse debate history.

A good research study would be to see if there are additional flip-side hymns that were used to counter the Arians.

Bengel mentions the hymn here, in his superb section about heavenly witnesses evidences.

D. Io. Alberti Bengelii Apparatus criticus ad Novum Testamentum: criseos sacrae compendium, limam, supplementum ac fructum exhibens (1763)
https://books.google.com/books?id=N9w-AAAAcAAJ&pg=RA2-PA462

D Christiani Friderici Schmidii ... Historia antiqua et vindicatio canonis sacri Veteris Novique Testamenti (1775)
Christian Friedrich Schmid
http://books.google.com/books?id=d2IUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA555

Marius Victorinus is in the heavenly witnesses verse debate involving Michaelis, Porson, Burgess, Turton and others, although off-hand I am not sure if they are mentioning the hymn.
 

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Hymn
http://12koerbe.de/pan/victorin.htm
Marius Victorinus ~275-362 n.Chr., Neuplatoniker, Christ seit 355 Drei Hymnen über die Dreieinigkeit ~360 n.Chr. lateinisch / deutsch nach Locher, Tübingen 1968, Leipzig 1976 / metrisch übers. von Hans Zimmermann 2004

Swete
https://books.google.com/books?id=p8kUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA306

Stanley James Grenz
https://books.google.com/books?id=VjHTcrWmguQC&pg=PA307

ACCS
https://books.google.com/books?id=w-dHcNNfOCcC&pg=PA223
http://books.google.com/books?id=LHj4aH7cSU0C&pg=PA234

Marius Victorinus: zur Philosophie in seinen theologischen Schriften (2002)
Matthias Baltes
https://books.google.com/books?id=F8Hmq2N-I-8C&pg=PA39
p. 39 70 71

Theological Treatises on the Trinity
Mary T. Clark
https://books.google.com/books?id=8byYDOjtw50C&pg=PA106
p. 106 161 291
 

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Mike
The amazing thing about M. Victorinus is that he is purposely writing in Latin and then again in Greek. He kjnows both and has written in both. So, the claim that "oh, it doesn't count because it is written in Latin" dies when we quote Victorinus.
 

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Gaius Marius Victorinus (290-364 AD)
Gaius Marius Victorinus (also known as Victorinus Afer; fl. 4th century) was a Roman grammarian, rhetorician and Neoplatonic philosopher. Victorinus was African by birth and experienced the height of his career during the reign of Constantius II. He is also known for translating two of Aristotle's books from ancient Greek into Latin: the Categories and On Interpretation (De Interpretatione).[1] Victorinus had a religious conversion, from being a pagan to a Christian, "at an advanced old age" (c. 355).
(Gaius Marius Victorinus. Wikipedia. <en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius_Victorinus>)

HITS:
● [Against Arius, Book 1.12] And what does he [the Holy Spirit] say? "Whatever I shall have said," (Jn 14:26) said Christ. "I shall have said" is in the future. What future? Not the immediate future, but the one that comes after his ascent to the Father. And if this is so, the Paraclete coming from God in the name of Christ teaches what Jesus says. Is it therefore Jesus himself, or another Jesus, or is Jesus present in this other Paraclete, that is, the Holy Spirit, as God is present in him? Although existing as three in a series, these three are also one (et unum sunt tria) and the three are homoousion (consubstantial). For Christ certainly says: "I go away and I am coming to you," (Jn 14:28) and "You will be given by God another Paraclete" (Jn 14:16) who has from me all that he has; and all that the Father has he has given to me. Indeed the whole mystery is this: the Father, unacting act, the Son, acting act in respect to creating, but the Holy Spirit, acting act in respect to recreating. But these things have also been said in other books.
(Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 1; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 104-105)

○ Latin: Et quae loquitur [sanctus spiritus]? "Quaecumque dixero," (Jn 14:26) dixit Christus. "Dixero" de
futuro est. De quo futuro? Non eo quod nonc, sed eo quod est post ascendere ad patrem. Et si istud,
paraclitus veniens a deo in nomine Christi illa docet, quaedicit Iesus. Ipse ergo Iesus, an ipse alter Iesus,
an in ipso altero paraclito, hoc est spiritu sancto, inest Iesus, sicut in ipso deus? Ista haec, serie tribus
existentibus, et unum sunt tria, et ὁμοούσιον tria, quippe dicente Christ: "eo et venio ad vos" (Jn
14:28) et: "a deo alius dabitur vobis paraclitus," (Jn 14:16) qui quaecumque habet, a me habet; et
quaecumque habet pater, tradidit mihi omnia. Etenim omne mysterium hoc est: pater inoperans operatio,
filius operans operatio in id quod est regenerare, sanctus autem spiritus operans operatio in id quod est
regenerare. Sed ista quidem et in aliis dicta. (Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 1; Migne Latina, PL
8.1047)

● [Against Arius, Book 3.4] ...these three [Father, Son, Holy Spirit] are one in substance, three in subsistence. For since they have their own power and signification and they also are as they are named, necessarily they are both three and nevertheless one, since the three constitute together each unity, that each one is singly. This is expressed by the Greeks in this way: "here are three hypostases from one substance".
(Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 3.4; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 227-228)

○ Latin: substantia unum, subsistentia tria sunt ista : cum enim vim ac significantiam suam habeant, aique ut dicuntur et sunt; necessario et sunt tria, et tamen unum, cum omne quod singulum est unum, tria sint. Idque a Graecis ita dicitur: ἐκ μιᾶς οὐσίας τρεῖς εἶναι τὰς ὑποστάσεις. (Victorinus, Adversus
Arium, Liber 3; Migne Latina, PL 8.1101-1102)

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Comment:
[Fiano] ...Victorinus, writing between 361 and 362 in Against Arius, offered his trinitarian interpretation of the being-living-thinking triad. In doing so, he produced two statements that indubitably show acquaintance with a formulaic expression of the distinction between ousia and hypostasis: “and therefore it was said that from one substance there exist three subsistences” (et ideo dictum est de una substantia tres subsistentias esse); “ and that is thus said by the Greeks: “there exist the three hypostaseis from one ousia’” (idque a Graecis ita dicitur: ἐκ μιᾶς οὐσίας τρεῖς εἶναι τὰς ὑποστάσεις).
(Fiano, Three Powers in Heaven, 2017, p. 192)
 
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