Heavenly Witnesses

the fulcrum verse of the pure Bible debate, in memory of Michael Maynard

Grantley McDonald - Raising the Ghost of Arius

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RGA section on the Latin manuscripts and lectionaries

super evidences - solecism, Cyprian, Eusebius, Vul

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  1. solecism in the abbreviated Critical Text
  2. Cyprian - (super evidences, external)
  3. Eusebius - (super-evidence, external-historical)
  4. Jerome's Vulgate Prologue (super evidence)
  5. Council of Carthage 484 AD (super evidence)
  6. Old Latin and Vulgate mss (super-evidence)
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Cyprian 'et iterum' - 'et hi tres unum sunt' - Latin from Greek 7th verse - Nathaniel Ellsworth Cornwall - Frederick Nolan

century by century 1500s to 2000s

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  1. 1500s (excluding Erasmus)
  2. 1600s
  3. 1700s
  4. 1800s
  5. 1900s
  6. 2000s
  7. post 2000-AD discussions
  8. heavenly witnesses debate 1600-1900
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Wilhelm Freidrich Besser

early evidences - ECW and ms. - Greek, Latin, Syri

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  1. Ante-Nicene ECW
  2. Greek ECW evidences
  3. ms and ECW evidences
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Clement of Alexandria - Theodotus - Eclogae propheticae - Pantaenus and Hebrews

Medieval and Ante-Reformation church writers

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Zohar and Hebraic references

Erasmus and the heavenly witnesses

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Jan Krans on Erasmus and Vaticanus

Papers, Articles, Journals, blogs forums

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A discussion on 1 John 5:7 with Steven Avery. The manuscript, patristic and grammar evidence.

Defenders

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Edward Freer Hills - Revelation 16:5, Romans 7:6 and more - Rick Norris quotes older editions

theories of omission or inclusion

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Artemon omitting the verse

special questions and more

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Germanus - Germinius

Latin Manuscripts

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  1. Old Latin
  2. Vulgate Latin
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Freisinger fragment
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pro-con .. procon lists
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tres unum sint variant
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the Vulgate and prepositions - per KJVToday
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preservation chart on KJVToay
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no corruption alleged in Latin usage of heavenly witnesses over millennium - yet Jerome's Vulgate Prologue shows concern over omission
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catalog of heretics - Gabriel Du Preau - Conrad Schlusselberg - Jean Donne - Lambert Daneau - Barthelemy Germon
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four allegorical interps are inconsistent - Augustine, Eucherius, Facundus, Haymo
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why I am skeptical of claims on both sides of the heavenly witnesses authenticity
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Adam Clarke followed by Dobbin on Montfortianus
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erasure by Arians and Pneumatomachi - John 3:6 - John 4:24 - 1 John 4:3 - claims on heavenly witnesses
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all the invisible allegories, writer and text
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allegorical (Trinitarian) interpetation in RGA and BCEME - Richard Simon and Greek mss.
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why don't we have early full quotes of the heavenly witnesses verse?
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Hesychius of Jerusalem
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'rogue’s gallery' of those accuses of fabricating the heavenly witnesses verse
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1 John 2:23 - ECW demonstrates Greek Majority omission
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water, flesh and blood - Priscillian's earthly witnesses
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library destructions and movement of manuscripts to Spain
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one in Christ Jesus - Priscillian et al
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Son (filio) rather than Word
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