Heavenly Witnesses

the fulcrum verse of the pure Bible debate, in memory of Michael Maynard

Grantley McDonald - Raising the Ghost of Arius

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Grantley McDonald - BCEME - corrigenda

super evidences - solecism, Cyprian, Jerome, more

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  1. solecism in short Critical Text with only earthly
  2. Cyprian - (super evidences, external)
  3. Jerome's Vulgate Prologue (super evidence)
  4. Council of Carthage 484 AD (super evidence)
  5. Old Latin & Vulgate mss & ECW (super-evidence)
  6. discussions of super-evidences and authenticity
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the weaknesses and absurdities of the margin note (gloss) interpolation theories

century by century 1500s to 2000s

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  1. 1500s (excluding Erasmus)
  2. 1600s
  3. 1700s
  4. 1800s
  5. 1900s
  6. 2000s
  7. post 2000-AD discussions
  8. heavenly witnesses debate 1600-1900
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the Greek and Russian Orthodox acceptance of the Reformation Bible correction/inclusion of the heavenly witnesses

early evidences - ECW and ms. - Greek, Latin, Syri

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  1. Ante-Nicene ECW
  2. Greek ECW evidences
  3. ms and ECW evidences
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Oecumenius - three bear witness to Jesus' adoption, namely baptism, crucifixion, and resurrection

Medieval and Ante-Reformation church writers

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Giannozzo Manetti (1396-1459) - Latin NT

Erasmus and the heavenly witnesses

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Erasmus, Pfefferkorn (converted Jew contra Talmud) and Reuchlin

Papers, Articles, Journals, blogs forums

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Erasmus, Lorenzo Valla, Arianism, and 1 John 5:7! by Michael George

Defenders

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Francis Turretin and the heavenly witnesses and the Sixtus Senensis ms question

theories of omission or inclusion

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Hanson’s Razor

special questions and more

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heavenly witnesses - september presentation online - Nick Sayers

Latin Manuscripts

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Ian Nelson Mills - 2025 additions to Speculum scholarship
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no corruption alleged in Latin usage of heavenly witnesses over millennium - yet Jerome's Vulgate Prologue shows concern over omission
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catalog of heretics - Gabriel Du Preau - Conrad Schlusselberg - Jean Donne - Lambert Daneau - Barthelemy Germon
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four allegorical interps are inconsistent - Augustine, Eucherius, Facundus, Haymo
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why I am skeptical of claims on both sides of the heavenly witnesses authenticity
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Adam Clarke followed by Dobbin on Montfortianus
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erasure by Arians and Pneumatomachi - John 3:6 - John 4:24 - 1 John 4:3 - claims on heavenly witnesses
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all the invisible allegories, writer and text
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allegorical (Trinitarian) interpetation in RGA and BCEME - Richard Simon and Greek mss.
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why don't we have early full quotes of the heavenly witnesses verse?
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Hesychius of Jerusalem
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'rogue’s gallery' of those accuses of fabricating the heavenly witnesses verse
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water, flesh and blood - Priscillian's earthly witnesses
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library destructions and movement of manuscripts to Spain
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Son (filio) rather than Word
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Markus Vinzent on Roman Christology - From Zephyrinus to Damasus
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Richard Porson complains of defenders who simply accept the verse
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three in substance
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Compare Cyprian, Leo Greek at Chalcedon, and Athanasius Disputation Greek and Latin
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Hug hypothesis, also Wucherer, on 1John relation to Gospel as epistle dedicatory.
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