Isaiah 7:14 - a virgin shall conceive - Isaiah 9:6 - everlasting Father

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Isaiah 7:14 (AV)
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel.

When I saw the Sovereign Grace Blog, I realized that PBF needed a page on this topic.

Added Jan, 2025

Isaiah 9:6 (AV)
For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
 
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Steven Avery

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Rashi’s interesting comments on Isaiah 7:14
https://sovereigngraceblog.medium.com/rashis-interesting-comments-on-isaiah-7-14-f75dfa6fd46

Sid Roth, Branham, Cain, and Reed
Apostolic Friends Forum
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?p=1601302#post1601302

And I have always liked this article, even from an rcc:

The Problem of Is. 7:14
William Most-
https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/isaiah/fr-william-most--the-problem-of-is-7-14

2) We saw that the Targum Jonathan clearly makes Isaiah 9:5-6 messianic. Then, by the fact that 7:14 speaks of the same child -- since both texts are part of the Book of Immanuel -- 7:14 must also be messianic. We saw that the Jews once, e.g., Hillel, did consider 7:14 messianic, but gave it up to deter Christians from using 7:14 as messianic. So the fact that the targum does not mark 7:14 as such is readily explained by the distortion later introduced into the targums by the Jews who wanted to keep Christians from using them -- a fact admitted by several major modern Jewish scholars
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Daniel Gruber is also helpful:

God, the Rabbis and the Virgin Birth
https://www.amazon.com/Rabbis-Virgin-Birth-Daniel-Gruber/dp/1514209756/

purchase at ElijahNet
http://www.elijahnet.net/store/index-31914.php

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Rabbi Akiba's Messiah: The Origins of Rabbinic Authority

is also an excellent book.

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Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
Behold, a virgin shall conceive,
and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel.

Doug Kutilek , you have a far too simplistic and wooden view of how articles translate between languages.

Helsinki Perspectives on the Translation Technique of the Septuagint ... (2001)
Relative Clauses in the Greek Leviticus
Cornelis G. den Hertog
https://books.google.com/books?id=ffGWtjrq2ZMC&pg=PA90
42 This would be an instance of the use of the definite article in Hebrew where English and other modem European languages prefer the indefinite article:
“Peculiar to Hebrew is the employment of the article to denote a single person or thing (primarily one which is as yet unknown, and therefore not capable of being defined) as being present to the mind under given circumstances",
Gesenius, Kautzsch and Cowley, Grammar, 407. W. Schneider, Grammatik des biblischen Hebraisch (2nd ed.; Munchen, 1976), 242 describes this use of the definite article in Hebrew as “cataphoric”.

And you will find that Gesenius specifically references Isaiah 7:14.

Doug, have you ever read:
"The King James Version of the English Bible: An Account of the Development and Sources of the English Bible of 1611 With Special Reference to the Hebrew Tradition" (1941) by David Daiches
and
"Hebrew in the Church: The Foundations of Jewish-Christian Dialogue" (1984) by Pinchas Lapide ?

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Questioning Virginity
Forward (2004)
http://forward.com/articles/5154/questioning-virginity/

Isaiah 7:14 - Debunking Jewish Objections to the Virgin Birth
Tim Kelley
 
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Oseas

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Steven Avery said:
Isaiah 7:14 (AV)
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel.

When I saw the Sovereign Grace Blog, I realized that PBF needed a page on this topic.

Added Jan, 2025

Isaiah 9:6 (AV)
For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
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Regarding the wonderful prophecy of this topic, there is an interesting discussion of mine, it with the Rabbi

Rabbi Shmary Brownstein | Chabad.org <mail_co6971198_6158707@chabad.org>​

16 de fev. de 2025, 23:31

ב"ה

Hi Oseas,

While we both agree that the time of the bringing to an end of sin etc. is the messianic age, that does not mean that I agree that this time would begin immediately at the end of the 490 years (seven weeks), nor that it would be the Messiah who would bring an end to sin.

You did not mention Jesus by name, but you did reference a virgin birth, something not found in the Tanakh. This idea is proposed by those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah. I don’t know of others who make such a claim.

There is no evidence that Isaiah 53 is referring to the Messiah from within the Tanakh. It does refer to events that will occur in the messianic age, foretelling the vindication of those who remain faithful to G-d despite all the suffering.

However, “the” Messiah is not spoken of as being cut off in Daniel 12. “Mashiah” in the Tanakh is never used referring specifically to the ultimate Redeemer. It means a person appointed to greatness, whether as High Priest, king, or prophet. In this case it refers to the king of Israel who will be killed during the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem.

The chronology you sent did not make clear how you arrived at the numbers you did. Saying that G-d’s day is 1,000 years does not tell us where in the timeline we are. The main points of divergence between the Jewish traditional dating and other methods of calculating are that we count only 210 years during which the Israelites sojourned in Egypt, although the Torah says 430 years. Biblical commentators of all kinds, including Josephus and the NT, agree that Israel could not have been in Egypt for the full 430 years. The other difference is that, according to our counting, the Persian empire lasted much less than normally understood, a difference of something like 160 years. This is based in part on figuring the timeline of Daniel, which does not leave room for the Second Temple to have stood for as long as is conventionally accepted (c. 660 years).

Your assumption that the year 0 coincides with the Biblical year 4000 is not explained in what you wrote, as far as I can tell.

I disagree with your differentiation of “G-d’s word” and “man’s word.” Your chronology is man’s word, that man being you. It is your understanding (an idiosyncratic one, at that), not “revealed.” The Sages of Israel were finely attuned to the nuances of the Tanakh’s text, and noticed where discrepancies needed to be reconciled. Their interpretations were not based on “storytelling” or wishful thinking, but on pulling together the various passages to give a full picture.

All the best,

Rabbi Shmary Brownstein
Chabad.org - Rabbis That Care

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Here's my response about email above of the Rabbi Shmary Brownstain at February 20, 2025 , 11:16

Quoted Rabbi :>>> While we both agree that the time of the bringing to an end of sin etc. is the messianic age, that does not mean that I agree that this time would begin immediately at the end of the 490 years (seven weeks), nor that it would be the Messiah who would bring an end to sin.<<<

Ok, Rabbi, so as you said, you believe not "messianic age would begin at the end of the 490 years (seven weeks)", I am astonished by your belief, it because the revelation of 70 weeks of years was given by God through the archangel Gabriel. O, Let there be light.
It was God Who also decreed the end of sin through the Messiah after literal 69 weeks, for AFTER the sixty-two weeks, [the] Anointed One would be cut off,(how?), and he would be no more, this terrible scenario is written in Daniel 9:26. This is what God says and decreed by His Word, the Tanach, I believe in His Word, I literally believe in God and His Word.

Quoted Rabbi :->>> You did not mention Jesus by name, but you did reference a virgin birth, something not found in the Tanakh. This idea is proposed by those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah.<<<

I did reference to a young woman(Yeshayahu 7:14), Scripture does not say the young woman was married, if she was married it would make no sense Scripture says her pregnancy was a sign, now, if she was married it was natural to have a child, but if she was not married and was pregnant with a child, that would be a great sign indeed(for example, something like the sun going back ten steps on the Sundial of Ahaz-Yeshayahu 38:8 combined with Melachim II(2Kings) 20:8-11), besides the NAME of the child was/is Immanuel, i.e. God with us.
(Immanuel, God with us: -> His birth was/is not of sin, His birth really was/is a God's sign, He is not a carnal son, His birth is not of a demonic sin, He was not born of sin).
Yeshayahu 7:14:-> Therefore, the Lord, of His OWN, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a SON, and she shall call His name Immanuel.--> a masculine personal NAME in Hebrew meaning "God with us," or "God is with us.".Besides the reference in Yeshayahu 7:14, it is also found in Yeshayahu 8:8, take a look.

Yeshayahu 9:6 reveals:-> For a child has been born to us, a SON given to us, and the authority is upon His shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called His name, "the prince of peace."

Again, just curious: If is not JESUS, what another name could be pointed as the Anointed One that would be cut off, and he would be no more, in LITERAL FULFILLMENT of Daniel 9:26, and Yeshayahu 53:1-12, Michah 5:1-3 and Zechariah 13:6?

By the way, MICHAH (Micah) prophesied even the place of Immanuel's birth:->Michah(Micah) 5:1-3:->1 And you, Bethlehem Ephrathah-you should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah-from you [he] shall emerge for Me, to be a ruler over Israel; and his origin is from of old, from days of yore.
2 Therefore, He shall deliver them until the time a woman in confinement gives birth. And the rest of his brothers shall return upon the children of Israel.

3And he shall stand and lead with the might of the Lord, with the pride of the Lord, his God: and they shall return, for now he shall become great to the ends of the earth.
Beloved Rabbi, for me what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Tanach, the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, so God is Omnipresent, am I right?


Quoted Rabbi:->>> There is no evidence that Isaiah 53 is referring to the Messiah from within the Tanakh. It does refer to events that will occur in the messianic age, foretelling the vindication of those who remain faithful to G-d despite all the suffering.<<<

Not only Yeshayahu 53:1-12 refer to the Messiah, also Michah (Micah)5:1-3, and Zechariah 13:6, Yeshayahu 7:14 & 8:10 combined with Yeshayahu 9:6.

What is written in Yeshayahu 53:1-12 refer to the Anointed One when He would be cut off-Daniel 9:26 confirmed by Zechariah 13:6 and mainly 12:10, that says: 10-> And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with sword](as is written in Zechariah 13:7- O sword, awaken against My shepherd and against the man who is associated with Me! says the Lord of Hosts), and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only SON and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.

Quoted Rabbi:->>> However, “the” Messiah is not spoken of as being cut off in Daniel 12.<<<
I'm sure I did not say that, but Daniel 9:26, also Yeshayahu 53:1-12-> verse 12- Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and INTERCEDED for the transgressors.

Quoted Rabbi:->>> “Mashiah” in the Tanakh is never used referring specifically to the ultimate Redeemer. It means a person appointed to greatness, whether as High Priest, king, or prophet. In this case it refers to the king of Israel who will be killed during the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem.<<<

Forgive my frankness, dear Rabbi, your argument on Yeshayahu 53 is far too evasive, our discussion and comments are on Daniel 9:24-27, 70 weeks - 490 years after Daniel prophecy, so the prophecy of Yeshayahu 53 would fulfil literally when the Anointed One would be cut off after the week 62, more precisely after 69 weeks-after 483 years precisely, at some point after 483 years.

All the best
Oseas (Hosea)
 
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Oseas

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Steven Avery said:
Isaiah 7:14 (AV)
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel.

When I saw the Sovereign Grace Blog, I realized that PBF needed a page on this topic.

Added Jan, 2025

Isaiah 9:6 (AV)
For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
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Isaiah 9:6 AV combined with Daniel 9:24-27 fulfilled LITERALLY in the end of the fourth Day or around 2000 years ago with the manifestation of the Greater Light according to the Genesis 1:16 combined literally with John 5:17 and 12:46-50, take a look. ->The environment in Israel at the time of the LITERAL fulfillment of this prophecy and the birth of JESUS-Isaiah 9:6, the Greater Light, the firstborn of GOD the Father, the ELDER Son of GOD->Luke 15:25-27, take a look, this is written, yes, the environemnt in Israel at the time of this greatest event ever occurred in the Universe is written in Luke 1:26-56 and 2:1-7, take a look.

Isaiah 9:6 combined with Luke 1:30-33:-> 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with GOD.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call His name JESUS. ->(Yeshua->GOD's name)
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:and the Lord GOD shall give unto Him the throne of His father David: (Interesting detail: -> Matthew 22:41-46)
33 And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end.



Isaiah 7:14 (AV) combined with Revelation 12:1-2 and 5 fulfill in this current time. -> We are literally living in the time of Apocalipse. By the way, perilous time, and we must know that Revelation 6:3-4 combined with Matthew 24:3-8 are already fulfilling LITERALLY.

Isaiah 7:14 says:->14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.-> God with us -> the God of the earth-Revelation 11:4 combined with John 15:26 and 16:12-15, and 1John 5:7.

The birth of this son of GOD, the younger son as JESUS said->Luke 15:13 and 30 combined with Isaiah 7:14-16, and the Father had divided unto them -unto His two sons - His living-Luke 15:12, yes, his birth is linked to the Revelation 12:1-2 and 5, but the environment of his birth was or would be terrible, very terrible, so much so that divine intervention was needed to prevent him from perishing when he reached adulthood as is written: Revelation 12:3-4->here's the environment since his birth until he reachs adulthood;->
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on); and behold a great Red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns(body of the dragon->Revelation 13:11, and seven crowns upon his heads. ->Red dragon:-> the great dragon was cast out, that old Serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
4 And his TAIL (Isaiah 9:15-16) drew the third part of the stars of heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on), and did cast them to the earth:
and the Dragon stood before the WOMAN (the Church, the current Church->Revelation 12:13-17) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.-> the younger son who had wasted his substance with riotous living, as JESUS said:->Luke 15:25-32.

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Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth?
Analyzing a small portion of the subject linked above, as quoted below, it is important to check whether the message reflects the truth or not, as commented below:

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Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth?​

Against the modern consensus, a close study of Isaiah 7:14 suggests the prophet directly predicted a virgin birth in the distant future.​

Peter J. Gentry - December 23, 2025​

When Christians celebrate Christmas, we are celebrating the miraculous birth of a child to a young woman who was a virgin—according to the New Testament (Matthew 1:18–25, Luke 1:26–38). The Gospel of Matthew specifically connects this birth with a prophecy given by Isaiah (7:14) that “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (Matt. 1:23).
Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth? - Against the modern consensus, a close study of Isaiah 7:14 suggests the prophet directly predicted a virgin birth in the distant future.
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What is the great mystery? How should we interpret it? Why do I ask this? I ask because Isaiah actually prophesied about two distinct births:

-The birth of JESUS–Isaiah 9:6->JESUS has genealogy,but He was born of a virgin.

-And the birth of Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17–>Michael has not genealogy, but he was born of a virgin.

JESUS and Michael are two distinct persons.

And now, how to explain these two mysterious births? Or mysterious biblical events?

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. By the way, what does the Word of GOD say? 1Corinthians 2:11 says:-> What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of a man, which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. It’s impossible to interpret Scriptures with Truth without the Spirit of GOD. By the way,“ the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”-1Corinthians 2:14. It’s it. ​

The author of the subject said: >>>But debates have raged for centuries over the details in Isaiah 7, especially around the translation of the key term “virgin.” This translation debate goes back at least to the Conservatives at the time panned the translation for this and other issues, accusing it of liberalism. But, by the twenty-first century, whether conservative or liberal, a consensus had formed in agreement with the RSV translators that the Hebrew word ʿalmâ in v. 14 does, in fact, mean “young woman” and does not necessarily indicate a virgin.<<<

Now, now, even GOD Himself said to the king Acaz:~>Isaiah 7:14KJV->Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign;…What kind of sign was in the mind of GOD Almighty? Was it a mere “young woman” as the mere common man think saying that "does not necessarily indicate a virgin”? What a poor and insanity is the mind of the common and evil man. The Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people.​

Isaiah 8:9-11KJV:→ 9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces. 10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.(Yes, EMANUEL is with us true believers). 11 The Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people.

Isaiah 7:14→ What kind of sign was in the mind of GOD Almighty? It was:→ “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” It means:→GOD with us. → And who was the father of the child? A vulgar man? And his common son called Immanuel? Oh no.​
To say a common or vulgar woman shall conceive, it is not a sign for GOD, but to say a virgin has conceive, it is a very and strong sign before my GOD, surely.

What is the great mystery? How should we interpret it? Why do I ask this? I ask because Isaiah actually prophesied about two distinct births:

-The birth of JESUS–Isaiah 9:6->JESUS has genealogy, but He was born of a virgin, of course, whose name was Mary.

-The birth of Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17 combined withj Revelation 12:1-2and5, and so on–>Michael has not genealogy, but he also was born of a virgin.


The birth of JESUS:→ Isaiah 9:6 ;

According to the GOD’s Plan of work for salvation of the world,
- the birth of JESUS would be after 42 generations after Abraham,
- in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or around 4000 years after Adam(Genesis 1:16 combined with John 5:17),
- or 483 years after the rebuild of the Temple and the reign of king Dario of 36 years:→ 522 – 486 BC.
→ When JESUS came He said: John 12:47:-> 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

- In fact, JESUS came around 750 years after the prophet Isaiah,
- and 4000 years after Adam,
- and around 2000 years ago,
and He said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work(yes, GOD the Father was still working) .->John 5:17 combined with John 9:4-5>-> 4 I must work the works of Him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world→the greater Light-Genesis 1:16.
And JESUS said:-> John 12:48-50: ->48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last Day.->(this Day just arrived, the seventh and last Day, the Lord’s Day). 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


The birth of Michael – Isaiah 7:14 combined with Revelation 12:1-2and5, and so on.

So, the question is:“Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth? Yes, “he predicted a virgin birth in the distant future” yes, as was said by the author of this thread, and it for to be fulfilled exactly in the time of Apocalypse, or around 2700 years after the prophet Isaiah, as is written in Revelation 12:1-2 and 5, showing a woman face to face with the great Dragon→ Revelation 12:3-4 and 9.
GOD provided the birth of a man child through this virgin to fight against the great dragon and to protect his mother, this wonderful event only occurs after the man child be caught up by the Father Himself, and to His Throne.→ Revelation 12:7-17.

If you want to know GOD’s Throne where the man child was placed by GOD the Father, after be caughted up by Him, →read Psalms 97, mainly verse 2 combined with Psalms 89:14, take a look.

By the way, it is the mother of the man chnild who will marry with JESUS in His coming, understand? and he will be with her in this ineffable event after to fight against the great red dragon.→ Revelation 12:7-17 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16. The name of the man child is Michael. Isaiah 7:14-17 combined with Luke 15:24-25 and Revelation 12:7-17 refers to Michael. Michael is the Warrior. -.JESUS IS THE SAVIOR.
In fact, believe you or not, Michael is the younger brother of JESUS:->Isaiah 7:14-17 combined with Luke 15:24-25, and he is also the Ancient of days->Daniel 7:22, and judgment will be given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possess the kingdom;->Daniel 7:22 combined with 2:40-45 and Revelation 11:15-18, take a look.


-The birth of JESUS–Isaiah 9:6->JESUS has genealogy,but He was born of a virgin.

-The birth of Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17–>Michael has not genealogy, but he was born of a virgin. ​

The birth of JESUS:->Isaiah 9:6 → For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. → (For short, we can say that the extended NAME that was written is simply One-> JESUS.

Furthermore, when GOD revealed to Isaiah that He would provide for the sending of His Son-the firstborn (Isaiah 9:6), it would be in a surprising way, there would be no sign of His coming according to the verse: Let's analyse the verse:

GOD showed to Isaiah that He would provide the birth of a child, and Isaiah 9:6 reveals us, and we must interpreted that: -> Unto us a child is born (Who? The Word made flesh→ so was born JESUS), and: ->unto us a Son is given(GOD's Son, the firstborn, the Word made flesh) : and the government shall be upon His shoulder-> as King: -> and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. →Simplifying: JESUS.

Colossians 1:16->For by Him (as Mighty God), were all things created that are in heaven(Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on), and that are in earth.→the dry land→Genesis 1:9-10.

When GOD showed to Isaiah that “a child would be given” (Isaiah 9:6), this great and main event or birth was not linked only to a simple sign, but in fact it would be much more significant than a simple sign. What GOD was revealing is that at such a time He would become flesh, and how significant this event would be for the salvation of mankind, understand? As is written in John 12:46-50, take a look.


Within the spectrum of interpretations of Isaiah 7:14, there is only one that is true, and this is the one that matters and prevails, right?

The event according to the description of the prophet:-> Isaiah 7:14-16

14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may KNOW TO REFUSE the evil, and CHOOSE the good.-> (This son is not the same of Isaiah 9:6, of course, because the child called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, he would never need to KNOW TO REFUSE the evil and choose good as He Himself said: Luke 15:29 and 31-32, Oh never, of course. Who needed that was His younger brother→Michael-Isaiah 7:14 combined with Revelation 12:1-2 and 5-17, take a look).

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. →(Judah and Israel as we know today).​



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Analysing the theory below as was quoted:

Quote: """ the traditional interpretation of the church, based upon Matt. 1:23, takes the עָלְמָה/ παρθένος [ʿalmâ/parthenos] to be Mary and Immanuel to be Jesus. In some quarters, it is still considered correct today, even if there are certain reservations and an awareness that Isaiah would have not been able to anticipate the specific way in which the predictions would be fulfilled."""

Oh yes, Isaiah speaking as a common man could not "be able to anticipate the specific way in which the predictions would be fulfilled", but the question is that it was GOD who spake by the prophet Isaiah, understand? Isaiah 6:1-9, take a look. I see that the author of this phrase saying that Isaiah could not "be able to anticipate the specific way in which the predictions would be fulfilled", yeah, the author thus speaks like the man who was talking with the woman in Genesis 3:1-7, there is not any difference, understand? And the problem was the consequence, understand?:→ Genesis 3:8-11, take a look.

Yeah, the question is that it was GOD who spake by the prophet Isaiah, understand? Isaiah 6:1-9:

1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.

6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

It’s it.

Archangel Michael being the Angel of Jehovah.

The idea that Michael was Christ pre-incarnate was popular in the 18th century. Ultimately there is not enough information to make that claim. Michaels cannot be the Lord Jesus, Daniel 10:13, 21: Michael is described as "one of the chief princes" who came to help a messenger angel against...
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Matthew 12:18-21

18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth Judgment unto victory.

Revelation 11;15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 12:7-12

7And there was war in heaven: -> Michael and his messengers fought against the dragon; and the dragon(red Dragon) fought and his messengers->2 Corinthians 11:13-15, take a look),

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.->(heaven? ->Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on.)

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our GOD, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the Devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Be prepared or else get ready - > Matthew 25:6-10

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...
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A few days ago I had a heated discussion about Isaiah 7:14, "A virgin shall conceive." The most common interpretation of the theologians and their adherents is to say that the child is JESUS. This interpretation is COMPLETELY wrong.

The discussion heated up when I replied brother "setfree", and I posted the following message in the site(post #3):-> https://christianityhaven.com/threads/fleshy-thinking-about-jesus-as-god.17805/#post-267998, as follows:
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Yes, Emanuel means God with us, meaning GOD come in ther flesh as JESUS Christ, the first born of GOD, yes, first born, and also the
Holy Spirit.
As JESUS said->John 15:26->26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, -> He shall testify of me: -> 1 John 5:7->7 For there are three that testifies in heaven:->(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on)-> the Father->GOD the Father,-> the Word,->the Word made flesh-JESUS, -> and the Holy Spirit ->(who is not a ghost, but a person) ;->: and these THREE are One.

Isaiah 7:14-16 -> ... Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to REFUSE the vil, and CHOOSE the good. ->(NOTE: JESUS is GOD, and He never needed to REFUSE evil and CHOOSE good, so the person / the child of Isaiah 7:14 IS NOT JESUS, AS YOU SAID). 16 For before the child shall know to REFUSE the evil, and CHOOSE the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

-> The birth of Emannuel, who is the Comfort, the Paraclete, prophesied by Isaiah, it was determined by GOD to be in the END times, time of Apocalypse : -> Revelation 12:1-2 and 5:-> 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on); a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron->(REVELATION 2:26-27): and her child was caught up unto GOD->(AFTER HE KNEW TO REFUSE EVIL AND CHOOSE GOOD-> LUKE 15:27 and 32), and to His throne. ->(GOD'S THRONE:? Psalms 97, take a look).


>>>SetFree said:
The following Scripture from the Hebrew Masoretic text also verifies Christ's place in the 3 Person GODHEAD...<<<
Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The Hebrew text of the Old Testament there in Isaiah 9:6 refers to Lord Jesus Christ as "The mighty God, The everlasting Father."<<<


Yes, Isaiah 9:6 is about the Lord JESUS, the first born of GOD: -> "6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.". But Isaiah 7:14 is not JESUS, as is proved above by the Word of GOD. You should know that JESUS never needed to know to REFUSE EVIL and to CHOOSE GOOD, -> JESUS Himself left crystal clear who really needed to KNOW refuse evil and choose good: -> LUKE 15:27 and 32, take a look.

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That brother replied to my message above and then started the discussion from post #4 to post #7. For anyone interested, take a look. -> https://christianityhaven.com/threads/fleshy-thinking-about-jesus-as-god.17805/#post-267998 - (post #3)

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Isaiah 7:14-16 reveal the Lord Himself shall give a sign; a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and before the child shall know to REFUSE the EVIL, and CHOOSE GOOD, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. This rebellious son of GOD did not come from heaven as JESUS came-John 6:38. This rebellious son of GOD is earthly, however, he is the LEGITIMATE younger brother of JESUS, as JESUS said, understand? JESUS spoke about his rebellious younger BROTHER, so the prophecy of the Isaiah 7:14-16 was interpreted by JESUS in Luke 15:26-27 and 31-32, take a look.

By the way, Isaiah prophesied saying that this younger son of GOD appears here on Earth as a captive->Isaiah 51:14,-> like someone who was exiled to a foreign land, he did not descend from heaven as JESUS descended. ->Isaiah 51:14:->The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail. Alleluia!

Luke 15:26-27 and 31-32:

26 And JESUS called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto JESUS, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted alf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

31 And GOD Father said unto JESUS, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

https://christianityhaven.com/threads/fleshy-thinking-about-jesus-as-god.17805/#post-268250
 
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Job 25:6 - 6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the Son of Man, which is a worm?

Psalms 22:6-10

6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

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Do you think the Scripture above saying son of man is speaking about JESUS? Of course not, never, but about someone like JESUS, exactly the one commented in this topic, this son of man is the rebel son of GOD, Lawful / Legitimate brother of JESUS, His youger brother->Luke 15:21-32, and from whom Isaiah prophesied-Isaiah 7:14-16, combined with Revelation 1:1 and 12-16. This son of man was born something like John the Baptist who was born according to Isaiah 40 and Malachi 4:5-6 and Matthew 11:11-14, the rebel son of GOD has not Genealogy as JESUS has, it because he evidently is not a Jew, understand?

Very hard to interpret this deep mystery of GOD the Father.
 
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John 15:26-27:
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:12-15
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


Matthew 25:6-10:-> 6 And at midnight(at the turn from the 6th to the 7th GOD's Day) there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him. ->1Thessalonians 4:15-18 -:->16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD the Father, Father of our Lord JESUS Christ, Self-executing, Self-executable.-> Psalms 33:6 and 9 KJV:

6 By the Word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His Mouth.
9 For He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.-> What does our GOD made at the turn from the FOURTH to the FIFTH Day, or around 4000 years after Adam, or around 2000 years ago?

Firstly He was made flesh, and manifested Himself with the name of JESUS(Hebrews 1:1-3&8), and JESUS said: John 5:17-> My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. -> So what our GOD made by our Lord JESUS Christ at the turn from the FOURTH to the FIFTH Day, from 4000 to 5000 years after Adam? Genesis 1:20-23 combined with Revelation 17:1-7 and15 describe what was made in 1000 years of the fifth Day- from 4000 to 5000 years after Adam->Genesis 1:20-23. By the way, Genesis 1:24 to 31 describe what was made from the FIFTH to the SIXTH Day. ->
And now? We are at the turn from the SIXTH to the SEVENTH Day,so what will happen in this seventh and last Day? ->Feel free,whoever wants to comment. ->
I think this can help;-> https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...xactly-240-years-in-the-jewish-calendar.2354/

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Matthew 11:27(combined with Hebrews 1:1-3and 8 and John 1:18) -> JESUS said: 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.->John 1:18, take a look. ->
Isaiah 9:6(combined with Luke 1:26-38) -> 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.->Matthew 28:18:->

1John 5:7 -> There are three that bear record in heaven, GOD the Father, the Word->the Word made flesh-JESUS, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost, as is written in English language but a Person, the Paraclete, the Comfort-John 15:26 and 16:12-15): and these three are One. ->Isaiah 7:14-16 (combined with Daniel 7:22 and 26-27 and Luke 15:11-32, and Revelation(Apocalypse) 11:4 and 12:1-2 and 5to17): -> Be prepared or else get ready -> 1John 5:19-20.

https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/“the-prodigal-son-and-the-unjust-steward”.131516/page-5

Jude 1:20-25KJV

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of GOD, looking for the mercy of our Lord JESUS Christ unto ETERNAL life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His Glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise GOD our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.

25 To the only wise GOD our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.

 
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A brother in Christ, called John, made a comment in another site, about the same point of this topic, and I highlighted 3 points of his comment as follow:
>>>“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”(John 1:1-5)

In John 10:30 Jesus Himself proclaimed: ”I and the Father are one.” Then in John 1:18 it states: "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." Such passages challenged my understanding of Jesus, and what the title Son of God actually means

"Such passages challenged my understanding of Jesus, and what the title Son of God actually means. The Christmas story became more relevant when reading Matthew 1:22-23: “All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).”

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Having read the interpretations above of the Word of GOD, I felt I should add some thoughts on Brother John's comment, so I wrote as follows:

Greetings in Christ Jesus,
Brother John Joseph Fox

I have selected some points from your excellent commentary; allow me to share them with more Scripture within your interpretations, as follows:

The Scripture above is linked to the Isaiah 7:14;->14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.-> (But there is a detail very hard to interpret in this prophecy of Isaiah, according verses 15-16:->

15- Butter and honey shall he eat(Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments), that he may know to REFUSE the evil, and CHOOSE the good.->

16 For before the CHILD shall know to REFUSE the evil, and CHOOSE the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. -> This CHILD, Immanuel(GOD with us), is linked to the woman in Revelation 12:1-2and5, the body of Christ, the Church, and although she be face to face with Satan, the dragon,->verses 3-4 combined with verse 9, and mainly Revelation 13:11 combi9ned with John 5:43-47, she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto GOD,and to His throne.->(Revelation 2:18 and 23-29 combined with Daniel 7:22-28, take a look).

Revelation 12:6-12, as follow:
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of GOD, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon(mentioned in Revelation 13:11 combined with John 5:43-47), take a look) was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he(yes, he) was(will be) cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our GOD, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Regarding the birth of JESUS Isaiah prophesied, saying:->Isaiah 9:6-7, as follow:
6 For unto us a child is born,unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ->(JESUS also is GOD wih us -> Immanuel)
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His Kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with Judgment and with justice(the Judgment Seat of Christ) from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

About the birth of JESUS, I highlight Luke 1:26-27 and 30-33:
26- The angel Gabriel was sent from GOD unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with GOD.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a Son, and shalt call His name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord GOD shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:

33 And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom(REVELATION 11:15-18) there shall be no end.

Again, about the birth of the Savior JESUS and King of the kings(Revelation 1:6 and 5:10), I still highlight Luke 1:26-66 and 2:1-24 and 39-52, and 3:21-38, combined with Isaiah 9:6, among many other biblical references.

Isaiah 7:14-16, is about one that is a Warrior - Revelation 12 and 19:10 and 22:6-21.

May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us and give us His protection
Amen.

 
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Be prepared, or else, get ready -> Acts 17:31
31 GOD hath appointed a Day(the current seventh and last Day,or seventh and last millennium),in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that MAN whom GOD hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men,in that He hath raised him from the dead.->(Who is he that GOD has rised him from the dead to judge the world? Is Scripture speaking of JESUS? No, it is not, because even JESUS Himself said: John 12:47:->If any man hear my words,and believe not,I judge him not: for I came not TO JUDGE THE WORLD,but to SAVE THE WORLD.->Therefore, who is this another MAN whom GOD hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men,in that He hath raised him from the dead?Yes,GOD rised him from the dead as He rised you too, OK,or not?->Colossians 3:1-4->1 If ye then be risen with Christ,seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of GOD.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are DEAD, and your life is hid with Christ in GOD.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.Alleluia!->(1John 2:28:->And now,little children,abide in Him;that, when He shall appear,we may have confidence,and not be ashamed before Him at His coming).

From now on, since you have already rised from the dead, then the most important now is you be caught up into the place where our Lord JESUS is at the right hand of GOD,the Father.Get up hither! By the way, like the MAN,who GOD hath ordained;whereof He hath given assurance unto all men,in that He hath raised him from the dead.->(it according to the Revelation 12:1-2 and 5 and Isaiah 7:14-16,take a look:
1- And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;(heaven:Ephesians 1:3-10,and so on)
a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried,travailing in birth,
and pained to be delivered.
5 And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was CAUGHT UP(to the 3rd heaven)unto GOD,
and to His throne.->(GOD's Throne?->Psalms 97:2,take a look).

Keep in your mind:->Daniel 12:1-3 and 10-12,combined with Matthew 24:15,and 1Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 12:7-17.
Daniel 12:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up,the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:and there shall be a time of trouble,such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:and at that time thy people shall be delivered,every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life,and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
10 Many shall be purified,and made white,and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand;but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,(Matt.24:15)there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Matthew 24:15->15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth,let him understand )

1Thessalonians 4:16-18:
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,with the voice of the archangel,and with the trump of GOD->(Revelation 11:15-18)and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds(3rd heaven-2Corinthians 12:2-4),to meet the Lord in the air(3rd heaven):and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

And the times of ignorance GOD winks at;but now commandeth all believers,in every where,to awake and get up and murch to conquer the Kingdom of GOD->Luke 20:35-36->(combined with Isaiah 56:5 and Revelation 11:15).
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world(next world-Revelation 11:15-18),and the resurrection from the dead->(1Thessdalonians 4:16-18)neither marry,nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more:for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of GOD,being the children of the resurrection.

37 Now that the dead are raised,even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the GOD of Abraham,and the GOD of Isaac,

Revelation 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things,and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets,and of them which keep the sayings of this book.

IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

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