Hello Rabbi Shmary Brownstein
In the name of the Lord
Thank you for your kind message
Honestly, if there's one book I enjoy reading with the greatest interest, it's the Holy Scripture, the Hebrew Bible, also known as the Word of God. In fact, I enjoy deciphering the profound enigmas of God's Word, the Bible. Psalms 119:
105 Your words are a lamp for my foot, and light for my path. Praise God.
I thought it best to respond to your message in three parts:
1:–> Differences in interpretations of Genesis in Hebrew Bible; and
2:->The Great Events Caused by God's Works-First 4,000 Years; and
3:-> Mashiach = Messiah:-What does the prophecy in the Hebrew Bible reveal unto us?
Part 1:–> Differences in interpretations of Genesis in Hebrew Bible;
Rabbi says: >>> I think I’m starting to see where the confusion is. «««
Well, I work with what God said and is written in the Hebrew Bible, I only do a copy of the Scripture and simply confirm literally what was revealed by God, in this case revealed to Moses. Yes, what matters and prevails is what the invisible God said from Himself, through Moses, and through the prophets. So, there is no confusion in my understanding. God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
If there is confusion for the Rabbis, certainly what is written in Daniel 9:7-9 still continues LITERALLY being fulfilled-take a look.
Rabbi says: >>> What you are calling a “biblical” timeline is based primarily on the assumption that the six days of creation in Genesis refer only to the timeline of history for six thousand years, leading into the seventh millennium. «««
Oh, dear Rabbi, I do not work with assumptions or speculations about the biblical Word revealed to Moses by God Himself around 2500 years after Adam. Oh no, it is very danger for my own life, and yours as well, assumptions or speculations have nothing to do with revelations-
Deuteronomy 29:29 combined with Daniel 2:19-20, take a look.
My timeline is based according to what God Himself revealed. It was/is He Who revealed Genesis to Moses around 2500 years after Adam, or after two Days and half of His works, and Moses himself understood what God said, so Moses said: "a thousand years are in Your eyes like yesterday, which passed, and a watch in the night". And also said:
Psalms 90:12:->teach the number of our days(days of human generations), so that we shall acquire a heart of wisdom.
You already agreed the flood occurred 1656 years after Adam.
According to God's Plan, Abram was born in year 2008 after Adam, the Covenant about two parts occurred in year 2083, Abraham was 75 years old, and 430 years after the Covenant occurred Exodus in year 2513. These events are facts, GOD made them to happen over time, they were/are the works of my GOD in the third Day, from 2000 to 3000.
Rabbi says: >>>Your method of reading the Torah is quite different from the Jewish tradition, which is why you are convinced that certain things are stated explicitly in the Torah while I don’t see them anywhere. I agree that the six days of Creation do allude to the timeline of history, but I don’t agree that they are only or even mainly that. Furthermore, I don’t agree with the method of determining history based on these allusions. «««
But God Himself revealed to Moses His Plan of works, He established its duration as six days or it should last SIX DAYS of 1000 years each day, as is written in
Psalms 90:4. I must say the same as God said, according to the Spirit of GOD, as it is written. The difference in interpretation you referred lies in the fact that the Rabbis interpret by the dead letter, literally, the letter itself is dead—>
Genesis 2:17, take a look, but the Spirit of the Word is Life.
So, I confirm that what is written in the Hebrew Bible is true because is God’s Word, what is Truth. God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. His light is True and makes everything clear. The Torah reveals what God made, and He used FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE or allegories in the description of His works that must be discerned, interpreted and understood by His Spirit, not by other strange spirits, you know that there is a great difference between what a true prophet says, and a false prophet says.
The works of God are real things written in figurative language, but they are facts, not mere history. History is generally APOCRYPHAL things made by storytellers,
the tree of good and evil (Genesis 3:22, 2:17, and 3:1, take a look), and their speech usually are deadly; ->
Psalms 5:9-10:->10 For there is no sincerity in his (their) mouth; there is malice in their heart; their throat is AN OPEN GRAVE; they make their tongue smooth.→ (because they have not the Spirit of GOD, Most likely the difference is that as a rule their mind work under the spirit of the old serpent
-Genesis 3:1 - and deceive the world as a whole).
Regarding my method of reading the Torah, well, the Rabbis interpret it literally, by the dead letter, I interpret it spiritually. God is Spirit, the Spirit of Life, a Holy Spirit, the Tree of Life. God said,"Let there be light." Well, for me, God's light makes everything very,very clear,there is no confusion.
Rabbi says: >>>Beyond that, I also don’t agree necessarily with all the details of how you interpret the events of each day as they play out in history. So we can’t say that these things are explicit. «««
My point was/is to write the things as they are written in the inspired Hebrew Bible, inspired by the Spirit of GOD, the Holy Spirit,
so I begin my timeline by Genesis, chapter 5, and chapter 11:10-32; and 12:1-4; and Exodus 12:40-41, and so on.
What does our God say by His true prophets, and is writen in the Hebrew Bible?
Isaiah 8:13-22HB:→ verse 20 says->For the Torah and for the warning?" If they will not say the likes of the thing, that it has no light.
21And the one who passes therein shall suffer hardships and hunger, and it shall come to pass, when he is hungry and wroth, that he shall curse his king and his god and face upwards. →
(Terrible, very terrible).
22 And he shall look to the land, and behold, distress and darkness, weariness of oppression, and to the darkness he is lost.
->(Lost for ever in the darkness of the abyss-Genesis 1:2. God forbid).
Rabbi says: >>>On the other hand, if that is your approach, you have no basis for dismissing the rabbinic interpretations. They are also based on interpretation of the words of the Torah, according to the assumptions that they hold. «««
My goal was/is to dismiss speculative interpretations of the Hebrew Bible, also based in assumptions, or conjectures, suppositions, and so on. By the way, you are revealing, by your own words above, that
""rabbinic interpretations are based on the words of the Torah, according to the ASSUMPTIONS they hold "”(emphasis mine); Therefore, they interpret Scriptures NOT according to the REVELATIONS of the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, but according to their literal and esoteric ASSUMPTIONS, kabbalistic or spiritist speculations. The difference is huge, large, big.
Part 2:->The Great Events Caused by God's Works-the First 4000 Years;
Rabbi says: »»» Now, one of the dates that you mention is the year 586 BCE, supposedly when the first Temple was destroyed. This date is not a biblical date, but one that comes from modern archeology. It is fair for you to use this date, but it must be acknowledged that this is coming from an outside source, not the Bible. (If we are using outside sources, archeology indicates that human civilization has been around for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years, not six thousand years. So we would have to pick and choose what we accept and what we reject from their conclusions, and give reasons why.) In actuality, the rabbinic timeline does not accept this date for the destruction of the first Temple. Therefore, it is the time of the second Temple, for which there is no timeline in the Tanakh, that we begin to seriously diverge on our accounting of the dates. «««
Abram was born in year 2008 after Adam, the Covenant between the two parties occurred in year 2083, and 430 years after the Covenant(Exodus 12:40-41), the Exodus occurred, in year 2513 after Adam->(2083+430).
From Exodus until construction of the 1st.Temple=480 years->(1Kings 6:1), in the year 2993→(2513+480 years) after Adam. And from its contruction to the destruction by Nebuchadnezzar’s armies, 420 years passed,->
(you yourself said this before in another message), and in this gap of 420 years Israel was ruled by about 20 idolatrous kings.
Therefore, 2993+420=->3413 years after Adam, it was around the middle of 3rd Day.
Then, if we take the year 4000
(four God’s Day), and subtracting 3413, we get 587 years. ->In fact, I mentioned 586 BCE as you highlighted above. But if we add another 70 years =657 years(587+70),
i.e. 657 years from the destruction of the 1st Temple to the destruction of the 2nd Temple in year 4070 after Adam, actually the first century of the fifth Day of Creation=>from 4000 to 5000 years, right?
Rabbi says: >>>You do not give any calculation of how you arrive at the years that you do. However, as you say that each day of Creation corresponds to 1,000 years, the fourth day would be between years 3000-4000. This is the day on which G-d suspended both the large luminary (the sun) and the small luminary (the moon) in the heavens. These allude to both Temples. Thus both were during the fourth millennium.< < <
Yes, God Himself revealed to Moses saying that His plan of work and RESTORATION of all things would last SIX DAYS of 1000 years each Day, as Moses said in
Psalm 90:4. I say the same that Moses said, of course, I say what is written in the Hebrew Bible, for it is true, it is the Truth. God is Truth.
On the other hand, the Greater and Lesser Light, and the stars (fourth God’s Day), they have nothing to do with celestial bodies, much less with the two Temples, which were destroyed because Israel was as always ruled only by idolater kings and guided by false prophets under dense darkness, as says Isaiah 9:14-16, take a look.
And all true prophets our GOD sent, I mean sent by the Most High GOD, they were persecuted and murdered, as is written in the Hebrew Bible-
1Kings 18:22, take a look.The majority of the people of Israel were led to worship horrible and demonic idols; the false prophets who dominated the people were demons
(1Kings 18:22), dominated by the spirit of the Devil. They were terrible, and they killed the prophets of God, the true prophets, so demonic were they.
That said, the Temples were good for nothing and they were destroyed. By the way, Prophet Isaiah reveals LITERALLY the terrible spiritual condition of Israel in the chapter Isaiah 59 as a whole; I take verses 9-10, that say:→9 Therefore, justice is far from us, and righteousness does not overtake us; we hope for Light and behold there is darkness, for brightness, but we walk in gloom. 10 We tap a wall like blind men, and like those who have no eyes we tap; we have stumbled at midday like in the darkness of night; [we are] in dark places like the dead. ->(God forbid).
Rabbi says: →With regard to Abraham, you asked, if a man had a son, and he died at age 205, how old was he when the son was 75? The answer is neither a, b, nor c, but rather, there is no way of knowing based on that information alone. The Torah says that Terah was 70 years old when he fathered Abraham, Nahor, and Haran. We have three options to make sense of this verse. One way is to say that they were triplets, all born when Terah was 70. I agree with you that this is not the best interpretation of the verse.< < <
OK, what matters and prevails is the Truth. God is Truth.
Rabbi says: →If we look at Noah, it says that he was five hundred years old and he fathered Shem, Ham, and Japheth, but clearly he was not five hundred years old when he fathered Shem, since Shem was one hundred years old only two years after the flood, while Noah was already six hundred years old at the time of the flood. So it means that he began having children at age five hundred. < < <
You brought up a perfect example for comparison regarding Terah's three sons. What matters is the Truth. So I remain with my calculation and understanding. Terah was around 130 years old when Abram was born in year 2008 after Adam, and 352 years after the flood.
Why do I remain with my calculation? I'll explain further below, and then you'll be able to understand better.
Rabbi says: >>>That is the second understanding of Terah’s age, which is that he was seventy when he began having children, over a period of years, they being Abraham, Nahor, and Haran. This is my understanding. A third option would be that by the time Terah was seventy, he had already fathered three sons. However, this departs from the way the Torah counts the years for all the other generations, where it says “so-and-so was so-many-and-so-many years old, and he begat so-and-so.” It also seems to me that, without any information to the contrary, Abraham, who is mentioned first, was also the oldest. < < <
In my understanding, Abraham was not the oldest. However, what you said is an interesting point, i.e."Torah counts the years for all the other generations, where it says “so-and-so was so-many-and-so-many years old, and he begat so-and-so.” → Right, then what we see in this description of the Hebrew Bible is that from each family, yes, from each family, GOD always took one of its sons for He Himself, for preservation and conservation of human species, but not necessarily the oldest or firstborn, as follow:
Genesis 5:3, and so on, for our better understanding:
3-Adam and all his generations begot sons and daughters, but:
From Adam, God took Seth for Himself;
And from Seth, God took Enosh;
And from Enosh God took Kenan;
And from Kenan God took Mahalalel; and so on until Noah,
and from Noah God took Shem for He Himself, for preservation and conservation of human species, taking only one from each family by generations since Adam, did you see?
As everyone know, 1656 years after Adam, God took Noah and his family for Himself, and DESTROYED all generations of all families since Adam and descendants. God spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly, descendants of all generations described in Genesis 5 as a whole, among other chapters. By the way, the same destruction God will do from now on, destroying the current world of the ungodly men, something like the flood and also Sodom and Gomorrah, and neighboring cities. Be prepared or else get ready.
Rabbi says: >>>If we accept that Terah was 70 when Abraham was born, then he was 145 when Abraham left for Canaan, and then lived for another 60 years afterwards. There is no basis to assume that Terah died the year that Abraham turned 75. < < <
Dear Rabbi, you know that Terah was born 222 years after the flood, or around 1878 years after Adam, and Terah was 205 years old and died, so Terah died in year 2083, and Abraham 75 years old, he was born in year 2008.
Hebrew Bible says:> Genesis 12:26 - And Terah lived seventy years, and he begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
See, Scripture are saying that Terah begot three sons
(as were triplets? Oh no.). It is not saying Abram, and Nahor, and Haran were born
(WHEN) Terah was 70 years old, you are interpreting and saying that. Haran
(maybe the oldest son of Terah) died during the lifetime of Terah his father in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldees. The interpretation continues in the next paragraph.
Rabbi says:>>> certainly see no basis for saying that Abraham was born when Terah was 55, which he would have to be if he were 130 when Abraham was 75.< < <
You misinterpreted my message, and your calculation doesn’t fit with what I said. What I said is that Abraham was born when his father Terah was 130 years old, not when he was 55 or 70.
Now, you know that Terah was born around 222 years after Adam,→ so 1656+222=1878 years after Adam, right? And Terah died when he was 205 years old: → 1878+205= 2083 years after Adam, right? → And Abraham was 75 years old when his father died in the year 2083, exactly when there was the Covenant between the parts→Genesis 12:1-9. → Since Terah was 205 years old in year 2083 and died, and Abraham was 75, then Abraham was born in year 2008 after Adam, but Terah was born in 1878, i.e. 222 years after flood, then, 2008-1878=130 years, this was the age of Terah in year 2008, of course, and Terah begot Abraham. Right?
On the other hand, if you say Terah bigot Abraham in year 1948 after Adam (1878+70), then you are saying Abraham was 135 years in the Covenant between the parts, but the correct is 75 years-Genesis 12:4.
Rabbi says: >>>In any case, as I said before, you must acknowledge your assumptions to say that your calculations are “biblical,” and if you do, then you have no grounds for faulting the Jewish sages for having their own assumptions about how to calculate. < < <
From my descriptions above, you can see my effort to ensure that my timeline reflets the reality of the facts, reflects the Truth. This has been my goal to understand why there is EXACTLY a 240-year difference in the Jewish calendar, from Adam to the present day. After all, with this time difference, the Jewish calendar doesn't match the Hebrew Bible, the source of Truth, revealed by God in the first four Days of creation/first 4000 years, through Moses and the Prophets.
As we all know, there is only one Truth, God is Truth, His Word is Truth. In my understanding, it seems that those who developed the Jewish Calendar discarded or ignored the following details. First, they started counting time from Seth, not Adam, and then discarded the following events:
1 - 130 years from Adam to Seth;
2 - 40 years of the wilderness journey; and
3 - 70 years of the Babylonian captivity.
4000 minus 240 = 3760, exactly where the Jewish Calendar begins→ (- 3760); Coincidence? Maybe, but is hard to believe. Hard to believe.
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Part 3:→Mashiach=Messiah:→ What does the prophecy in the Hebrew Bible reveal unto us?
Rabbi says: →I never suggested that the Torah/Tanakh does not speak of the Messiah, or that Daniel does not speak of the Messiah. I said that the word “mashi’ah = messiah” is never used in the Tanakh to mean the ultimate redeemer of Israel. I also said that where Daniel 9 uses that word, it likewise does not mean THE messiah. I'm not sure where the confusion is. However, it would help if you acknowledged the points that I make and then either agree or tell me why you disagree,rather than simply repeating your position.<<<
Okay, but there is not confusion. The Rabbis as religious Master and Guide of the Jews brings to the light these titles:
Mashiach and Messiah.
What does the prophecy in the Hebrew Bible reveal unto us?
Zechariah 4:12-14 HB:
12 And I raised my voice a second time and said to him, "What are the TWO olive branches beside the TWO golden vats that empty out the gold[en oil] from themselves?"
13 And he spoke to me, saying, "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord."
14 And he said,
"These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES who stand before the Lord of all the earth." -> (Jewish people and Gentiles);
Honestly, dear Rabbi, Who are these TWO ANOINTED ONES?
The first anointed One is the Messiah:-> Isaiah 9:6 combined with Genesis 1:16-the Greater Light- , among many other biblical references. There are too many for me to list them all here. And He -the Messiah - came in the end of the fourth Day, or about 4000 years after Adam, or 2000 years ago. By the way, Gentile peoples throughout the world, throughout these last 2000 years, in every generations, have believed, and continue to believe, have preached, and continue to preach,
JESUS is the promised Messiah. He is the MAIN Anointed One of the two Anointed Ones, as was revealed to the prophet Zechariah, and to us too.
The second anointed One is Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17, He is the Lesser Light-Genesis 1:16, and mainly Daniel 12:1-3, where is written, as follow: ->
1 Now at that time, Michael, the Great Prince, who stands over the children of your people, WILL BE SILENT, and it will be a time of DISTRESS that never was since a nation existed until that time
(the current time),and at that time,
(at the current time) your people
(the remnant) will escape, everyone who is found inscribed in the book. ->
(Michael, the Great Prince was with Joshua in Jericho(Joshua 5:13-15). Michael remained silent from 4070 to 1948, 1878 years of diaspora and there were many many punishments as written in Deuteronomy 28:15-68. From this time on, a new scenario or situation would emerge in Israel: therefore, the time of literal fulfillment of
Daniel 12:1 has arrived, and Michael's presence causes great turmoil /distress in the current evil and demonic world, as we have seen in recent years, and in these present days, and will continue,
and worse days are at hand. Be prepared, or else get ready, actually only a remnant will be saved as was/is prophesied, i.e. everyone who is found inscribed in the book, of course.
2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken-these for eternal life, and those for disgrace, for eternal abhorrence.->
(There will be resurrection, as prophesied Isaiah: 26:19-21, take a look).
3 And the wise will shine like the brightness of the sky, and those who bring the multitudes to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.
And verse 10 says: They will be clarified and whitened, and many will be purified, and the wicked will pervert [them], and all the wicked will not understand, but the wise will understand.
Rabbi says: →To sum up: 1) You’re entitled to your interpretation. 2) Your interpretation is an interpretation, not simply “what it says” in the Bible. You have your assumptions and methodologies for how you read the words of the Tanakh, which is fine, but does not make them correct or the only valid understanding. 3) The great rabbis of Israel, who cared deeply about the Torah and what it means, interpreted it according to their assumptions, and are certainly not straying further from the “obvious” meaning of Scripture than you are. 4) You should be careful not to insult other people just because you see things differently. 5) The concept of the Messiah is a Jewish concept, which comes from our oral tradition. It’s okay that Christians also believe in this concept, however they believe in it, but they should recognize that the word Messiah comes from the Jewish oral tradition, and that they should therefore take a more respectful attitude towards it. < < <
Again, I do not do any literal interpretation of the Tanakh or simply by the letter, but by the Spirit manifested by/in the TRUE prophets of the Lord, therefore, it has nothing to do with assumptions or speculations, but revelations. As I already have said before, in these last 2000 years in all Gentile nations have believed and belive JESUS was/is the Messiah, the ANOINTED ONE and that He was CUT OFF after the week 69->Daniel 9:25 combined with Isaiah 53:8-> “He was CUT OFF from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people”.
As you know, dear Rabbi, and also all Christians believers, in the time of the Law and Prophets, time called Old Testament, most of the kings of Israel were idolaters and believed in demonic false prophets who rose up among the people, and the people worshipped their horrendous idols, but the true prophets were murdered, then GOD never sent more prophets, the Temples were destroyed/demolished, and Israel stayed without nation for 1878 years, so the Christian believers are worried that the current Israel become to believe in false messiah, as they believed in false prophets in ancient time. So with the appearance of a false messiah the prophecy of Daniel 12:11 about the last week, the last seven years of this CURRENT SATANIC WORLD, Daniel 9:27, it will fulfill literally: there will be great abomination, a desolation of the abomination. ->(God forbid).
The righteous Judgment of God is written in the Hebrew Bible. Israel is Judged by the Word of GOD-
Deuteronomy 28, that is the Hebrew Bible, not only Israel, but all the Gentile nations also are Judged by God’s Word, and punished severely after the condemnation of them.
Isaiah 1:1-5 and Isaiah 9:14-16, and also 33:10-17 take a look.
All the best,
Oseas (Hosea)
The one who cares with Truth
