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John 17:5 and preexistence
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John 17:5
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
I would say if you plan to use John 17:5 as the supposed “got’ya” verse against a Oneness doctrine, you should be informed as to how it is represented by Oneness adherents, rather than a caricature, or Joel’s terrible writing. One example would be David Bernard, who recently spoke at Homestead on the doctrine, his second visit.
(Rarely would I recommend his writings, but for this limited purpose he is ok, Robert Sabin’s might be hard to find, the question could use one dedicated thread. Daniel Segraves has a page, but I think Bernard may be better.)
John 17:5 (AV)
By David Bernard (The Oneness of God)
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
I would say if you plan to use John 17:5 as the supposed “got’ya” verse against a Oneness doctrine, you should be informed as to how it is represented by Oneness adherents, rather than a caricature, or Joel’s terrible writing. One example would be David Bernard, who recently spoke at Homestead on the doctrine, his second visit.
(Rarely would I recommend his writings, but for this limited purpose he is ok, Robert Sabin’s might be hard to find, the question could use one dedicated thread. Daniel Segraves has a page, but I think Bernard may be better.)
John 17:5 (AV)
By David Bernard (The Oneness of God)
Steven Avery
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Here is a wide-ranging discussion from 2017:
Apostolic Friens Forum
Riddle Me This-- St. John 17:5
And on p. 5 a link to:
CHAPTER XV
THE PRE-EXISTENCE OF THE SON
Ross Drysdale
The Ross Drysdale paper is also located on the uneven AIS
https://www.apostolic.edu/the-pre-existence-of-the-son/
Apostolic Friens Forum
Riddle Me This-- St. John 17:5
Riddle Me This-- St. John 17:5 - Apostolic Friends Forum
Riddle Me This-- St. John 17:5 Fellowship Hall
www.apostolicfriendsforum.com
And on p. 5 a link to:
CHAPTER XV
THE PRE-EXISTENCE OF THE SON
Ross Drysdale
IF YE KNOW THESE THINGS - CHAPTER 15
web.archive.org
The Ross Drysdale paper is also located on the uneven AIS
https://www.apostolic.edu/the-pre-existence-of-the-son/