Hi,
There was a bitter dispute between Tischendorf and Samuel Tregelles on seeing or discerning in Codex Sinaiticus:
1) the erased undertext that originally stopped at v. 24, not v. 25, plus an ending.
2) two scribes - the bottom columns, maybe 7, and the subscription in another hand.
Burgon in Revision Revised p. 318 agreed with Tregelles that the section was only one scribe, not two:
"... There is no manner of difference: though of course it is possible that the scribe took a new pen ...."
And I am curious if:
a) anyone before the ultraviolet ever saw what Tischendorf saw in the bottom section.
b) anyone today considers it noticeable to eye observation.
c) it looks like two different scribes to our learned scholars here who simply look at the uncial writing
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Here is one additional question. The Codex Sinaiticus Project site references three different retracings of the manuscript, or parts of the manuscript.
1.4.2 Re-tracing
http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/project/conservation_ink.aspx
The retracing of the characters (main text, corrections, some quire numbers and some of the squiggles) was repeated several times throughout the history of the Codex Sinaiticus, always using different types of inks.
Are any of those retracings involved in this section of John?
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Thanks!
Steven Avery
Steven Avery
Hi,
Allow me to request any of our manuscript experts to comment on the retracing question on John 21:24-25.
Also, I was wondering if Tischendorf actually argued for the Gospel of John ending at 21:24 even before he put his x-ray vision into play.
In 1867, in Origen of the Four Gospels, he wrote:
"Note 166, p. 214. — Verse 25, against whose genuineness most serious objections have long been expressed, has now in the primitive Codex Sinaiticus the most weighty authority against itself. (It has been an error that down to this time
Cod. 63 has been cited in the same sense.)"
Implying that he had agreed with those "most serious objections". And happily found support in Sinaiticus, confirmed decades later, long after he berated Tregelles for his lack of x-ray vision. However, it is not clear if Tischendorf had written about the ending before Sinaiticus.
There is actually an interesting article about the Tischendorf lack of logic and his inconsistency on the ending (even tampering with the corrector numbers to try to justify the omission) by John Gwynn:
On the External Evidence Alleged Against the Genuineness of St. John xxi. 25 (1893)
John Gwynn
http://books.google.com/books?id=VCsMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA368
p. 368-384
Yours in Jesus,
Steven Avery
