one theory as to why the Russians sold Sinaiticus to the Brits in 1933 "as is" - Morozov - Igor Grabar

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When Igor Grabar noticed that some icons were really fake, he had a solution to the problem:

"According to Skurlov, the Soviet artist Igor Grabar also noticed that the icons were fakes and persuaded the Russian government to sell them off in the 1930s."

Master forger's legacy goes on sale
Fake icons: Forced confession from 80 years ago is found in Russian archives
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/master-forgers-legacy-goes-on-sale-1525774.html
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“According to Skurlov, the Soviet artist Igor Grabar also noticed that the icons were fakes and persuaded the Russian government to sell them off in the 1930s. Botkin's collection included 150 enamel icons of the type for sale at Sotheby's, of which Popov confessed to making 109. Others are now in the collections of the Metropolitan Museum, in New York, the Cleveland Museum and Dunbarton Oaks. The museums all bought their icons in good faith, believing them to be genuine Byzantine pieces. In 1988, David Buckton, of the British Museum, unmasked them as later imitations.”

This was the same fire sale period as when Sinaiticus was sold to the Brits.

And we have seen that Morozov said straightforward that Sinaiticus was not an ancient ms, although that was not published in the West till later. And we know that the Russians did not do much with Sinaiticus after the Tischendorf years. Were they unloading their damaged goods on the gullible Brits?

This Russian thread makes the connection.
https://dirty.ru/255844/

Were the Russians laughing all the way to the bank? They had pawned off the white elephant.

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Related thread:

why the new binding by Douglas Cockerell in the 1930s?
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...inding-by-douglas-cockerell-in-the-1930s.182/
 
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Igor Grabar is here, 1933 forgery sales, after lots of good stuff.
https://d3.ru/255844/

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Dirty tomorrow: Codex Sinaiticus sent via SMS.

Written byifrauJuly 7, 2009 at 06:05answer

N.A. Morozov had the opportunity to PERSONALLY examine this Codex Sinaiticus. And here is what he says:

"Upon careful examination of the Codex Sinaiticus in the manuscript department of the Public Library, my attention was first of all drawn to the fact that the parchment sheets of this document were not at all frayed at the lower corners, not dirty or soiled by fingers, as should have been the case with a thousand years of use"

[12], p. 258. Note that N.A. Morozov could notice all this only because he was lucky enough to HOLD this document IN HIS HANDS. But, for example,

“on the phototype images taken from it (the Codex Sinaiticus - Auth.), published in England, the pages APPEAR MUCH DIRTER THAN THEY REALLY ARE,"

writes N.A. Morozov [12], p. 259. This is strange. After all, the quality of professional photographs even at the beginning of the 20th century was quite high. Didn't the publishers of the photocopy of the Codex Sinaiticus try to give it an "ancient look"?

Written byNicJuly 7, 2009 at 06:03answer

"What seems especially interesting to me," continues N.A. Morozov,

“is the internal condition of the parchment of the Codex Sinaiticus. Its sheets are very thin, beautifully crafted and, what is most amazing, they HAVE REMAINED THEIR FLEXIBILITY, they have not become fragile at all! And this circumstance is very important for determining antiquity. When we deal with documents that have really lain for a millennium, even under the best climatic conditions, then often at the slightest touch to their sheets, they break into tiny pieces... The excellent condition of the internal sheets of the Codex Sinaiticus with obvious traces of careless handling by the monks, who tore off its binding and tore off the outer sheets..."

[12], p. 260. As for the TORN BINDING AND OUTER SHEETS, this really looks extremely strange in combination with the excellent preservation of the codex itself. But it was on the binding and on the outer (i.e. first and last) sheets that the ISSUE DATA OF THE MANUSCRIPT were always indicated. Who, where, how and when it was made, or copied, etc. And the binding itself can tell a lot about the time and place of its manufacture. Therefore, it seems that the binding and outer sheets of the Codex Sinaiticus could have been torn off not by the monks, and not by those who used it, but, for example, by Tischendorf himself. In order to hide the obvious traces of the late origin of this manuscript.

Written byNicJuly 7, 2009 at 06:04answer

In conclusion, we will tell the reader some details of the discovery of the Codex Sinaiticus by Tischendorf. When Tischendorf came to the monastery of St. Catherine in search of ancient manuscripts, "he noticed in the library, in the middle of the hall, IN A BASKET FOR DISCARDED PAPER, scraps of parchment, discarded and intended for the STOVE. Following his SCIENTIST INSIGHT, he took one of the sheets and recognized in it an excerpt from a VERY ANCIENT manuscript of the Bible; this manuscript also included the next 129 sheets, which he pulled out of the basket. He managed to acquire 43 sheets" [157], pp. 606–607. With these sheets he returned to Europe, and then came here again several times. In the end, the manuscript "was found in full" and was sold to the Russian Tsar for 9,000 rubles of the time. "Which was quite a lot at that time" [157], p.607. This whole story lasted 15 years - from 1844 to 1859. There is something strange in all this. Let us recall that the manuscript seen by N.A. Morozov was in excellent condition. And yet, supposedly, it was treated so barbarously by ignorant monks. They tore it to shreds, threw it into a dirty basket, and used it to light a stove...

Written byNicJuly 7, 2009 at 06:07answer

Nic: thanks to you, you can hardly find what you need through dirty search :)

Written byifrauJuly 7, 2009 at 06:12answer

It seems that there is not even a mention of the miraculous resurrection of Christ, which was written into later versions of the Bible.

Written byandreyvoJuly 7, 2009 at 05:23answer

“In 1933, the Soviet government sold it (the Codex Sinaiticus – Auth.) to the British Museum for 100,000 pounds sterling” [157], p.607.

Written byNicJuly 7, 2009 at 06:05answer

Nic:
There was an academician Igor Grabar, a specialist in icons and other antiquities, head of the Kremlin laboratory at the Armory. He copied icons masterfully, and then the Soviet government sold them to the West for gold as "the sixteenth century"

Translate these two!

http://www.1archive–online.com/archive/r…
http://brus.livejournal.com/61395.html

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Written bydimdimychJuly 7, 2009 at 05:43answer

nickpo: Nikolay, what do they have to do with it? "The letters in it are completely similar to Church Slavonic." © Porfiry (Uspensky), First Journey to the Sinai Monastery in 1845, Petersburg 1856, p. 226.


WroteNLOJuly 8, 2009 at 00:56answer

klim: Oh! And they decided to build a big tower. And then they got tired of it - and they sort of made excuses, like, we don't know anything, we're not from here at all and we're leftists here. And they went their separate ways. Since then, only Jews are right-wing. So they dug up a whole piece of paper about it - the Sinaiticus Codex. And whoever doesn't believe it - they get a preemptive strike. So they'll believe it!


Written bypagiJuly 7, 2009 at 07:20answer

If anyone can read Sinai, please tell us briefly what it is about?


nickpo: You can even do it this way , or this way , although earlier most of Kolya's posts could be commented on like this :о)


Parts of the Codex Sinaiticus are in St. Catherine's Monastery, the rest is in the British Library. It exists. The rest is debatable.
 
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In this fire sale the Russians were more than happy to sell fakes and forgeries.

Independent - USA edition
Master forger's legacy goes on sale (Dec 15, 1995)
Fake icons: Forced confession from 80 years ago is found in Russian archives
Geraldine Norman
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/master-forgers-legacy-goes-on-sale-1525774.html

“According to Skurlov, the Soviet artist Igor Grabar also noticed that the icons were fakes and persuaded the Russian government to sell them off in the 1930s. Botkin's collection included 150 enamel icons of the type for sale at Sotheby's, of which Popov confessed to making 109. Others are now in the collections of the Metropolitan Museum, in New York, the Cleveland Museum and Dunbarton Oaks. The museums all bought their icons in good faith, believing them to be genuine Byzantine pieces. In 1988, David Buckton, of the British Museum, unmasked them as later imitations.”
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As with Sinaiticus, the Russian apparatchiks would keep this aspect of the sale, the knowledge of fakery, quite quiet.
 
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G. Peradze, Der Codex Sinaiticus. Die Sinaimönche. Rußland.
Der Orient 16 (1934) llOf. F. Dxl.

A.Lod8,Le Codex Sinaiticus.Rev.Arch. VI 3(1934) 263—264. N.H.B.

Dmitrievskij, Peradze, Benesevic, and Uspensky are among those recommended by Sevcenko for more balance than the vulgate story. Dmitrievskij looks new. Returning to...

As I recently pointed out in a publication, in 1929 the Georgian scholar Grigol Peradze (1899-1942) made the (probably surprising) discovery that this privately owned manuscript was Tsagareli’s no. 81.4
 
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Earlier CARM from cjab
https://forums.carm.org/threads/cod...t-color-differences.14083/page-2#post-1247510

We can us a full thread using the quotes above.
Compare Englis readability.

Post 2 here might be best.
There is also one other thread on PBF with a long description.

Nikolai Alexandrovich Morozov handles Sinaiticus, notes the Tischendorf antiquity claims are false

Nikolai Alexandrovich Morozov (1854-1946) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Alexandrovich_Morozov Prophets: the history of the origin of biblical prophecies, their literary presentation and characteristics (1914) Prophets: history of Bible prophecies and their literary presentation and...
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You mean here?

Archive version of other thread

"“the lower corners of the parchment sheets of the document are not frayed at all and bear no traces of greasiness and finger prints. As it should have, had the manuscript been in usage for centuries during church service by Sinai monks, who had never been remarkable for their cleanliness like all Eastern monks though…

At the same time, while the inner parchment sheets of the manuscript are utterly new (meaning with no defects and greasiness) all the front and rear cover sheets are torn and even lost… The most interesting fact about the Sinaiticus is the condition of its inner parchment. The sheets are very thin, made of elaborate leather and, what is the most peculiar, the sheets are very flexible and not at all fragile! And this circumstance is rather important for dating the manuscript.
When we are dealing with ancient documents which were kept for millenniums, even in the best climate conditions we see that even the slightest touch can turn them into dust. as if we touch ash of the book that invisibly smoldered affected by oxygen. The perfect state of the Sinaiticus inner sheets, while its covers are torn, shows that monks treated the manuscript with neglect, and suggests that the manuscript was presented to the monastery by some pious lover of old religion patterns (script) when new patterns were already in use that is after the 10th century. It was not damaged inside by constant reading possibly because monks became unaccustomed to such writing and preferred to read new patterns. Only due to this fact, the manuscript had been preserved on Sinai till the time it was found by Tischendorf.”
 
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https://forums.carm.org/threads/cod...on-by-the-british-library.20974/#post-1618073

In this fire sale the Russians were more than happy to sell fakes and forgeries.

Independent - USA edition
Master forger's legacy goes on sale (Dec 15, 1995)
Fake icons: Forced confession from 80 years ago is found in Russian archives
Geraldine Norman
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/master-forgers-legacy-goes-on-sale-1525774.html

“According to Skurlov, the Soviet artist Igor Grabar also noticed that the icons were fakes and persuaded the Russian government to sell them off in the 1930s. Botkin's collection included 150 enamel icons of the type for sale at Sotheby's, of which Popov confessed to making 109. Others are now in the collections of the Metropolitan Museum, in New York, the Cleveland Museum and Dunbarton (Dumbarton) Oaks. The museums all bought their icons in good faith, believing them to be genuine Byzantine pieces. In 1988, David Buckton, of the British Museum, unmasked them as later imitations.”
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As with Sinaiticus, the Russian apparatchiks would keep this aspect of the sale, the knowledge of fakery, quite quiet.
 
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