Reply to Damasus - Pater Deus - Constantine (Decretals?)

Steven Avery

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The Reply to Pope Damasus can be extracted as its own HIT

Around the same time as Priscillian (c. AD 380)
I might place him first, to counter the faux idea that Priscillian is the first usage of the verse.

Note that the next part:
"Tres itaque formæ, sed una potestas.”
is not given in the English translation.

Antipriscilliana: dogmengeschichtliche Untersuchungen und Texte aus dem Streite gegen Priscillians Irrlehre
Karl Kunstle
https://books.google.com/books?id=baufuOZpsw4C&pg=PA59


RGA p. 37
Ad Damasum papam, cit. Künstle, 1905b, 59: “Pater deus, filius deus et spiritus sanctus deus.
Hæc unum sunt in Christo Iesu. Tres itaque formæ, sed una potestas.”

47 Ad Damasum papam, cit. Künstle, 1905b, 59: “Pater deus, filius deus et spiritus sanctus deus.
Haec unum sunt in Christo Iesu. Tres itaque formae, sed una potestas.” Kunstle, 1905b, 67,

RGA p. 39
The same symbolum could be used by Priscillian or the Panchristian author of the Reply to Pope Damasus to show that the three persons of the Trinity are one God, and that this one God is Jesus Christ.

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Finding 1585 Source
https://books.google.com/books?id=F...Tres itaque formæ, sed una potestas.”&f=false

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The 1585 source connects it earlier than Damasus, with Constantinus, if it is not a later Decretal.

1844
https://books.google.com/books?id=b...Tres itaque formæ, sed una potestas.”&f=false
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Morphologie des aspects du verbe russe (1908)
By André Mazon
https://books.google.com/books?id=u...Tres itaque formæ, sed una potestas.”&f=false

Damasus.jpg


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Pater deus .. IS given as one late hit

An Exposition of the Catholic and Apostolic Faith (650-799 AD) - maybe earlier see below
"An Exposition of the Catholic and Apostolic Faith against the Arian Heresy''
"Expositio Fidei Catholicae":

https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...postolic-faith-against-the-arian-heresy.1965/

Pater Deus, Filius Deus, Spiritus sanctus Deus, et tres unum sunt in Christo Iesu. Tres itaque personae, sed una potestas.

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Chapman section in WOGIG 3 times.

p. 136

• [Chapman] Priscillian found himself bound to defend the Comma. In the Priscillianist creed "We confess the Father
and the Son and the Holy Spirit" ("Nos patrem et filium..." ; See Caspari, Kirchenhistorische Anecdota, vol 1, 1883, p. 308,
and Kunstle, Antipriscilliana, 1905, p. 67). We have a clear reference: "The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy
Spirit is God; These are one in Christ Jesus" ("Pater Deus, Filius Deus, et Spiritus sanctus Deus; haec unum sunt in
Christo Iesu.")
Now a few lines further on we read: "If any one has no faith in the truth of this, he cannot be said to be of
the Catholic churches; he does not explain Catholic faith, but he is inappropriate, profane, rebellious against the truth."
("Si quis vero hanc fidem non habet, catholicas dici non potest; qui catholicam non tenet fidem, Alienus Est, Profanus Est,
adversus veritatem rebellis est.") This is a citation of St. Cyprian, De Cath. Eccl. Unit. 6 "

p. 526
• [Chapman] Priscillian found himself bound to defend the Comma. In the Priscillianist creed "We confess the Father
and the Son and the Holy Spirit" ("Nos patrem et filium..." ; See Caspari, Kirchenhistorische Anecdota, vol 1, 1883, p. 308,
and Kunstle, Antipriscilliana, 1905, p. 67). We have a clear reference: "The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy
Spirit is God; These are one in Christ Jesus" ("Pater Deus, Filius Deus, et Spiritus sanctus Deus; haec unum sunt in
Christo Iesu.") Now a few lines further on we read: "If any one has no faith in the truth of this, he cannot be said to be of
the Catholic churches; he does not explain Catholic faith, but he is inappropriate, profane, rebellious against the truth."
("Si quis vero hanc fidem non habet, catholicas dici non potest; qui catholicam non tenet fidem, Alienus Est, Profanus Est,
adversus veritatem rebellis est.") This is a citation of St. Cyprian,

p. 562
“Priscillianist Creed”
• [Chapman] Priscillian found himself bound to defend the Comma. In the Priscillianist creed "We confess
the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Latin: Nos patrem et filium... ; See Caspari, Kirchenhistorische
Anecdota, vol 1, 1883, p. 308, and Kunstle, Antipriscilliana, 1905, p. 67). We have a clear reference: "The
Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; These are one in Christ Jesus" (Latin: Pater Deus,
Filius Deus, et Spiritus sanctus Deus; haec unum sunt in Christo Iesu). Now a few lines further on we read: "If
any one has no faith in the truth of this, he cannot be said to be of the Catholic churches; he does not explain
Catholic faith, but he is inappropriate, profane, rebellious against the truth." (Latin: Si quis vero hanc fidem non
habet, catholicas dici non potest; qui catholicam non tenet fidem, Alienus Est, Profanus Est, adversus
veritatem rebellis est.) This is a citation of St. Cyprian,

p. 136 and p. 526 and p. 562 have the Chapman section.

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Steven Avery

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Perhaps the Papum was 4th century?
The name Pope began right around that time, or it could have been added later as a title.

This is said to be by a pro-Priscillian writer, and would be right during the controversies that led to his execution.
 

Steven Avery

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Thoughts so Far,

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Caspari, Kirchenhistorische Anecdota, vol 1, 1883, p. 308,
Kunstle, Antipriscilliana, 1905, p. 67).

Mazon - Quesnel - Hahn - Kunstle

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There seem to be two ancient texts that are similar and then diverge.

“Pater deus, filius deus et spiritus sanctus deus. Hæc unum sunt in Christo Iesu. Tres itaque formæ, sed una potestas.”

If the pro-Priscillian context fits, we should be slow to dismiss
Ad Damasum papam

One text is placed with reference to Constantine and Constantinus. However it may involve Decretals made some centuries. later.
 
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Steven Avery

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Compare one in WOGIG in 600s with Chapman.

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Swainson
Of the
former, one manuscript is of the sixth century. Of course, therefore, the Creed is at least as old as the
sixth century. (Swainson, The Nicene and Apostles' Creeds: Their Literary History, 1875, p. 254-255)

An Exposition of the Catholic and Apostolic Faith (650-799 AD)

Latin: Expositio fidei catholicae atque apostolicae contra haeresim Arianam. Nos Patrem, et
Filium, et Spiritum sanctum confitemur, ita in Trinitate perfecta, ut et plenitudo sit Divinitatis, et
unitas potestatis. Nam tres Deos dicit qui Divinitatem separat Trinitatis. Pater Deus, Filius
Deus, Spiritus sanctus Deus, et tres unum sunt in Christo Iesu
. Tres itaque personae, sed
una potestas. Ergo diversitas plures facit; unitas vero potestatis (0582B) excludit numeri
quantitatem: quia unitas numerus non est. Itaque unus Deus, una Fides, unum Baptisma. Si
quis vero hanc fidem non habet, catholicus non potest dici, quia catholicam non tenet fidem;
alienus est, profanus est, et adversus veritatem rebellis.
(Appendix ad opera S. Leonis Magni. CAPITULUM XXXVII.; Migne Latina, PL 56.582)

Codex Sanblasiana (Cologne 213)

3x
("Pater Deus, Filius Deus, et Spiritus sanctus Deus; haec unum sunt in Christo Iesu.")
Now a few lines further on we read:”If any one has no faith in the truth of this, he cannot be said to be of
the Catholic churches; he does not explain Catholic faith, but he is inappropriate, profane, rebellious against the truth.”("Si
quis vero hanc fidem non habet, catholicas dici non potest; qui catholicam non tenet fidem, Alienus Est, Profanus Est,
adversus veritatem rebellis est.")

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Short section about Damasuis:

the ending "to pope damascus" is only in one place and obviously added. The "to pope damascus" is very close to the other fide confession. But the confession has "Faith of Ambrose" which is real and it has manuscript evidence for it with that title. Well, a bit complicated, but no such manuscript exists for this "answer to pope damascus".
 
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