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the lack of any sabbath has burned out many people at the fellership
Blair Adams was approached by Barry Hersh.
Blair Adams was approached by Barry Hersh.
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Historically, the Sabbath question, 7th-day and Christian sabbath understandings and doctrine, has had an interesting history in the fellership.
(Others are welcome to augment what is placed here, including Homestead Heritage elders and members, with privacy requests honoured.
Corrections, tweaks and additions all appreciated. )
In the Christian church, there are a number of positions, I may cover that in a future post. 7th-day rest, spiritualizing, transference to Sunday, abrogation and more.
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Way back in the early years, c. 1975, my understanding is that dear brother Blair Adams, when approached with scripture by a respected gentleman, did not directly counter the 7th-day sabbath as wrong. Blair simply said to stay in the boat (paraphrase) and if it is true doctrine, God will bring it to the fore, in his timing, speaking to and through the ministry. This was shared with me in some detail. (A different spin was placed on this 35 years later.) In fact, even today, I have never heard of Blair Adams saying that the 7th day sabbath is false New Testament doctrine.
At one time, I felt that they would simply receive that scriptural understanding “when the fulness of the Baptists had come in.” After all, they were now near Baylor
, which is Baptist-city.
(Historically, in fact, there has been a small and important 7th-day Baptist movement. And the Adventists learned this part of their doctrine from the Baptists, which makes “that is false Adventist teaching” a genetic fallacy.)
And I had some interesting sharing with Joel, Gary, and Tsafir on the question and doctrine in the 1990s, which I may share more fully later. Quite a bit different than any Blair Adams sharing of which I am aware.
Overall, later fellership reports have varied.
Clearly, the calling of a “sabbath rest” day, by the elders, became a new phenomenon in Colorado in the 1980s. We were working hard seven days a week, traveling 60 miles each way to the Hotchkiss land on Saturdays and more, and often doing fellership work on Sunday after the meetings, as well as our regular 40-hour jobs, and other center and help ministries at night. At the center, sisters with day jobs working to 2AM was common. Whew!
Every once in a while, maybe after 3 or 5 or 7 or more weeks, the elders would call a sabbath, or a picnic day, which was considered sabbath-like. If there was a special push, like to get out literature or to clear out Canadian thistles on the high and low lands, such a Sabbath would just be on hold awaiting and aweeding.
These occasional called Sabbaths became the only designated Sabbath days, unrelated to the Bible 7-day cycle. And sabbath doctrine, from the Decalogue, was never a teaching topic. Maybe you could ask Howard in a quiet one-on-one, as his door was always open, sort of.
As an aside, many brothers and families left in this period, and it is a fair point to consider whether the fellership would have done better to follow the Godly Bible pattern of six days of labour and one day of rest.
As the years went by, the definition of the sabbath became more and more elder-flexible. The sabbath was removed from the idea of a specific day, as God resting in Genesis on the 7th day, and given various elder usages.
Ironically, they actually took the non-Decalogue 7th-year land sabbath more earnestly than the 10 Commandments sabbath. And they would intermix questions of the land sabbath, the Hebrew sabbath, and the Lord’s sabbath which can be called ad hoc by the elders to the group leaders. As the ministry speaketh, which might simply be a 10 hour sabbath, as the ministry rhema is equated as God-speaking. Scripture support, using a dozen contradictory versions, was the elder purview, with Joel working the versions to match the rhemas.
A dear sister went to the Fair, asked about the Sabbath, around 1990, she and children were on a hay-ride, and was given a very puzzling response equating the sabbath with work. Perhaps the idea was that any ministry work brings forth sabbath peace. Nothing was clear.
“We will deal with that when we are in Israel, when we cross that bridge ” was another idea shared by an elder. A deflection.
Luke 23:56 (AV)
And they returned,
and prepared spices and ointments;
and rested the sabbath day
according to the commandment
(This verse led to very unusual elder doctrinal theorizing, as it was written years after the resurrection.)
Your thoughts an remembrances most welcome.
Blessings in Jesus dear brothers and sisters,
Shabbat Shalom,
Steven
Just to complete the above, the explanation given by Joel was “progressive revelation”. The idea was that a verse later (Acts or Epistles) gave further revelation, and thus negated any understanding expressed by Luke, even writing after the resurrection.
(Luke actually wrote to “most excellent” Theophilus when he was high priest in 40-41 AD. The fellership likely dates Luke later, or just fogs the whole question.)
This was in Joel’s mobile home, in a discussion that started soft but Joel was not happy with my expressions, and got a little hot (perhaps the “yahweh” influence, which tended to be a problem, since that entity would control, or at least buffet, Joel.) Thus the “progressive revelation” explanation. At a later time Joel denied that he had taken that position, which was a surprise.
There was more, like the time when Gary and Tsafir got in a small trailer with me and Tsafir tried hard to give me a Bible study explaining why the 7th-day sabbath was a nothing. He was not really scripture-savvy, it was an interesting try.
Then, to top it off, I was very willing at one time to forego sabbath-keeping (Gary liked to call it sabbath-observing so he could attack the observing aspect). And I told that willingness clearly to Gary (telephone call from Lawgn Igland after a visit to Texas) but this was not sufficient.
Gary wanted me to go the incredible step of calling the sabbath understanding a heresy! This was a no-go for me, of course, and we were pretty quiet until I defended the fellership in the Factnet wars some years later.
The fellership has some funny ways of playing the heresy card.
All just a little remembrance, hope you find it all edifying and helpful, in Jesus name.
Steven Avery
For clarity, I should add that, while Homestead Heritage often has a weekly Sunday fellership meeting, in their doctrinal economy this is unrelated to the sabbath.
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Historically, the Sabbath question, 7th-day and Christian sabbath understandings and doctrine, has had an interesting history in the fellership.
(Others are welcome to augment what is placed here, including Homestead Heritage elders and members, with privacy requests honoured.
Corrections, tweaks and additions all appreciated. )
In the Christian church, there are a number of positions, I may cover that in a future post. 7th-day rest, spiritualizing, transference to Sunday, abrogation and more.
=======
Way back in the early years, c. 1975, my understanding is that dear brother Blair Adams, when approached with scripture by a respected gentleman, did not directly counter the 7th-day sabbath as wrong. Blair simply said to stay in the boat (paraphrase) and if it is true doctrine, God will bring it to the fore, in his timing, speaking to and through the ministry. This was shared with me in some detail. (A different spin was placed on this 35 years later.) In fact, even today, I have never heard of Blair Adams saying that the 7th day sabbath is false New Testament doctrine.
At one time, I felt that they would simply receive that scriptural understanding “when the fulness of the Baptists had come in.” After all, they were now near Baylor
(Historically, in fact, there has been a small and important 7th-day Baptist movement. And the Adventists learned this part of their doctrine from the Baptists, which makes “that is false Adventist teaching” a genetic fallacy.)
And I had some interesting sharing with Joel, Gary, and Tsafir on the question and doctrine in the 1990s, which I may share more fully later. Quite a bit different than any Blair Adams sharing of which I am aware.
Overall, later fellership reports have varied.
Clearly, the calling of a “sabbath rest” day, by the elders, became a new phenomenon in Colorado in the 1980s. We were working hard seven days a week, traveling 60 miles each way to the Hotchkiss land on Saturdays and more, and often doing fellership work on Sunday after the meetings, as well as our regular 40-hour jobs, and other center and help ministries at night. At the center, sisters with day jobs working to 2AM was common. Whew!
Every once in a while, maybe after 3 or 5 or 7 or more weeks, the elders would call a sabbath, or a picnic day, which was considered sabbath-like. If there was a special push, like to get out literature or to clear out Canadian thistles on the high and low lands, such a Sabbath would just be on hold awaiting and aweeding.
These occasional called Sabbaths became the only designated Sabbath days, unrelated to the Bible 7-day cycle. And sabbath doctrine, from the Decalogue, was never a teaching topic. Maybe you could ask Howard in a quiet one-on-one, as his door was always open, sort of.
As an aside, many brothers and families left in this period, and it is a fair point to consider whether the fellership would have done better to follow the Godly Bible pattern of six days of labour and one day of rest.
As the years went by, the definition of the sabbath became more and more elder-flexible. The sabbath was removed from the idea of a specific day, as God resting in Genesis on the 7th day, and given various elder usages.
Ironically, they actually took the non-Decalogue 7th-year land sabbath more earnestly than the 10 Commandments sabbath. And they would intermix questions of the land sabbath, the Hebrew sabbath, and the Lord’s sabbath which can be called ad hoc by the elders to the group leaders. As the ministry speaketh, which might simply be a 10 hour sabbath, as the ministry rhema is equated as God-speaking. Scripture support, using a dozen contradictory versions, was the elder purview, with Joel working the versions to match the rhemas.
A dear sister went to the Fair, asked about the Sabbath, around 1990, she and children were on a hay-ride, and was given a very puzzling response equating the sabbath with work. Perhaps the idea was that any ministry work brings forth sabbath peace. Nothing was clear.
“We will deal with that when we are in Israel, when we cross that bridge ” was another idea shared by an elder. A deflection.
Luke 23:56 (AV)
And they returned,
and prepared spices and ointments;
and rested the sabbath day
according to the commandment
(This verse led to very unusual elder doctrinal theorizing, as it was written years after the resurrection.)
Your thoughts an remembrances most welcome.
Blessings in Jesus dear brothers and sisters,
Shabbat Shalom,
Steven
Just to complete the above, the explanation given by Joel was “progressive revelation”. The idea was that a verse later (Acts or Epistles) gave further revelation, and thus negated any understanding expressed by Luke, even writing after the resurrection.
(Luke actually wrote to “most excellent” Theophilus when he was high priest in 40-41 AD. The fellership likely dates Luke later, or just fogs the whole question.)
This was in Joel’s mobile home, in a discussion that started soft but Joel was not happy with my expressions, and got a little hot (perhaps the “yahweh” influence, which tended to be a problem, since that entity would control, or at least buffet, Joel.) Thus the “progressive revelation” explanation. At a later time Joel denied that he had taken that position, which was a surprise.
There was more, like the time when Gary and Tsafir got in a small trailer with me and Tsafir tried hard to give me a Bible study explaining why the 7th-day sabbath was a nothing. He was not really scripture-savvy, it was an interesting try.
Then, to top it off, I was very willing at one time to forego sabbath-keeping (Gary liked to call it sabbath-observing so he could attack the observing aspect). And I told that willingness clearly to Gary (telephone call from Lawgn Igland after a visit to Texas) but this was not sufficient.
Gary wanted me to go the incredible step of calling the sabbath understanding a heresy! This was a no-go for me, of course, and we were pretty quiet until I defended the fellership in the Factnet wars some years later.
The fellership has some funny ways of playing the heresy card.
All just a little remembrance, hope you find it all edifying and helpful, in Jesus name.
Steven Avery
For clarity, I should add that, while Homestead Heritage often has a weekly Sunday fellership meeting, in their doctrinal economy this is unrelated to the sabbath.
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Evangel Life Ministries - July 23, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9UVf-_TMGA
Asahel Adams trumps himself again!
And I did not know if that was possible after his attack last week on "conspiracy theorists" and "anti-vaxxers" and his skepticism that anyone has died due to the jab.
1:14:15
This week he attacks the Creation 7th-day sabbath! Giving various hackneyed pseudo-Christian explanations for its being Gone-Sabbath.
And he accuses Jesus of breaking the sabbath again and again. (This would make Jesus a sinner, a renegade law-breaker, and not the sinless Messiah.)
The Scriptures only say that the Jews accused him of breaking the Sabbath, and the Lord Jesus put forth wonderful Scripture study, teaching the Pharisees the truth about the Sabbath, that it was only the Pharisees that prohibited healing on the Sabbath.
John 5:16 (AV)
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:18 (AV)
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The 10 Commandments are placed in the Levitical laws. So they are no longer our eternal standard! (Afaik, Blair Adams never gave us this abominable teaching.)
Later, I may pull out some quotes, if Homestead Heritage keeps this up on their site.
An earlier discussion of the Sabbath on this forum is from 2018.
========================
And as usual Asahal attacks the Authorized Version (King James Bible.)
The 2018 discussion is here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/homesteadheritagecontacts/permalink/1906229496342525/
And to hear Asahel attack Jesus as a breaker of the sabbath, around 1:30 he says Jesus violated the sabbath. In a second spot, maybe a bit later, he says Jesus does so again and again.
Asahel flunks Christianity 101.
Even if you do not keep Sabbath, and do not see it as applicable today for one reason or another ….
this is a death-knell for Christianity, which is dependent on Jesus being sinless.
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Thank you Christina. I really am a bit perplexed at their non-Christian doctrinal foibles.
And I understand that Christians often have a theory that the creation Sabbath was abrogated, or spiritualized, or transferred, or fading away or nailed to the cross or something. Fair enough. A good discussion. One where dear Blair Adams was very careful with his words.
However, it is rare that even the weakest and dullest Christians would say that Jesus Christ was a sabbath-breaker, a sinner!
(Accepting the false accusation of the Pharisees, missing the wonderful expositions of the Lord Jesus.)
Even with all their supposed doctrinal brilliance through Joel’s writings and their dozen versions and wanting to make a Homestead Version and Howard trumpeting the devil “Yahweh” —
Homestead Heritage is just dumbing down more and more. Thus, accusing the Lord Jesus of being a sinner.
A sinning “Messiah” cannot be our atoning sacrifice.
Wake up, Homestead Heritage.
More Sabbath confusion from Asahel:and Dan Lancaster.
Evangel Life Ministries
https://www.youtube.com/live/GRtX0CeNsQE
At 38:27 to 57:10
Not one mention of the Decalogue (Ten Commandments). Thus, Sabbath is compared to Mosaic ordinances no longer in effect.
Their claim is all over the map - in brief, the Sabbath is still in effect, but keeping it has nothing to do with the seventh day.
Is it worth transcribing? For the laugh and cry? Maybe, if automated.
Steven Avery
More sabbath confusion this week - starts when the clock is at 3:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7spUhg92N8
At 3:19 Asi makes up history, that there was a time when the fellership worshipped on Sat. Then the broadcast glitches out, maybe divine judgment for lying.
Grace Savage
Steven Avery - they took it down
This might be it.
https://youtu.be/0GvfcJB80fE
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Grace Savage - or it is only available to “approved” sign-ons.
Their doctrines are so confused and contradictory and Asi wings it so much, I sympathize with their problem.
E.g. we keep the sabbath, but it has nothing to do with the 7th day, it only means to do the will of God (we are pleasing our ministry elders) but Sunday is our rest day, our folks in Israel do Saturday to get along. Plus that fabricated history that the fellership at one time kept the (Biblical) creation Saturday 7th day.
On May 6, 2023 Asi is attacking anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists.
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Ro Astrom - ironically in the 70s and 80s the fellership (now Homestead Heritage) was virtually 100% no-vax, home-birth (with a visit to The Farm) avoidance of drug treatments sorcery-pharmacopeia and an attempt at Biblical kosher. Confessions of a Medical Heretic became a fav book.
This new soft position on the jabs was one part of their apostasy using “Covid” as an excuse.
Not surprisingly, they also began to pray more and more fervently, mumbling and groaning and shouting, to the devil “Yahweh”. This moved them into another realm, from which recovery is difficult, absent a deep repentance.
And all without ever once mentioning the Decalogue.
========
They make so many blunders, in many areas, to let us know who is approved:
1) things have changed … pablum is the norm
2) their thinking has been hamstrung by Joel Stein’s Talmudic convoluted circles-within-circles writing, now ascribed to Blair. Read the 200 books, there is no Pure Bible to read, and the archaic and corrupt versions are second-fiddle at best.
3) none dare call this Christianity
(especially noting yahweh-jupiter worship and yahshua as well as the centrality of vows … I.e. oaths, swearing)
4) any ideas you had that they are “the answer” can be fully discarded, even with any anointing residue, and we can each search for the most solid Christian fellowship as called by God
5) their growth in numbers is shallow and superficial, and reflects the appeal of confusion to those hungry for anything with a semblance of community
6) core doctrines have radically changed, especially around the Apostolic doctrines … in a negative way of confusion and downgrading the Bible born-again experiences (Hebrews 6:2, Acts 2:38)
7) the center cannot hold
8 ) those inside are called by the Lord Jesus Christ to consider their steps … the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord
9} their spoken words fall to the ground, and tend toward dribbles, like these sections from Asi and the Lightweights. Thus the new censorship.
10) their move to quote-snippets from a dozen contradictory versions has had a pernicious effect
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Worship on Saturday or Sunday?
https://www.youtube.com/live/GRtX0CeNsQE?feature=share
(Total doctrinal confusion - plan a review.)
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In the July 1 broadcast they are asked how people become members.
There is a lot of blah-blah, but I heard nothing about believing in Jesus (Acts 8:37} and the supernatural born-again experiences!
Starts at 16:20.
Plan to go back and listen again.
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Total confusion on the Names, apparently Tittley was shown some true material about Jehovah being correct, so he went to Talmudic Joel Stein to help him stay confused. Interesting to see how confused they are. Starting around 3:06 on their clock
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Evangel Life Ministries - July 23, 2022
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Asahel Adams trumps himself again!
And I did not know if that was possible after his attack last week on "conspiracy theorists" and "anti-vaxxers" and his skepticism that anyone has died due to the jab.
1:14:15
This week he attacks the Creation 7th-day sabbath! Giving various hackneyed pseudo-Christian explanations for its being Gone-Sabbath.
And he accuses Jesus of breaking the sabbath again and again. (This would make Jesus a sinner, a renegade law-breaker, and not the sinless Messiah.)
The Scriptures only say that the Jews accused him of breaking the Sabbath, and the Lord Jesus put forth wonderful Scripture study, teaching the Pharisees the truth about the Sabbath, that it was only the Pharisees that prohibited healing on the Sabbath.
John 5:16 (AV)
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:18 (AV)
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The 10 Commandments are placed in the Levitical laws. So they are no longer our eternal standard! (Afaik, Blair Adams never gave us this abominable teaching.)
Later, I may pull out some quotes, if Homestead Heritage keeps this up on their site.
An earlier discussion of the Sabbath on this forum is from 2018.
========================
And as usual Asahal attacks the Authorized Version (King James Bible.)
The 2018 discussion is here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/homesteadheritagecontacts/permalink/1906229496342525/
And to hear Asahel attack Jesus as a breaker of the sabbath, around 1:30 he says Jesus violated the sabbath. In a second spot, maybe a bit later, he says Jesus does so again and again.
Asahel flunks Christianity 101.
Even if you do not keep Sabbath, and do not see it as applicable today for one reason or another ….
this is a death-knell for Christianity, which is dependent on Jesus being sinless.
Steven Avery
Author
Admin
Thank you Christina. I really am a bit perplexed at their non-Christian doctrinal foibles.
And I understand that Christians often have a theory that the creation Sabbath was abrogated, or spiritualized, or transferred, or fading away or nailed to the cross or something. Fair enough. A good discussion. One where dear Blair Adams was very careful with his words.
However, it is rare that even the weakest and dullest Christians would say that Jesus Christ was a sabbath-breaker, a sinner!
(Accepting the false accusation of the Pharisees, missing the wonderful expositions of the Lord Jesus.)
Even with all their supposed doctrinal brilliance through Joel’s writings and their dozen versions and wanting to make a Homestead Version and Howard trumpeting the devil “Yahweh” —
Homestead Heritage is just dumbing down more and more. Thus, accusing the Lord Jesus of being a sinner.
A sinning “Messiah” cannot be our atoning sacrifice.
Wake up, Homestead Heritage.
More Sabbath confusion from Asahel:and Dan Lancaster.
Evangel Life Ministries
https://www.youtube.com/live/GRtX0CeNsQE
At 38:27 to 57:10
Not one mention of the Decalogue (Ten Commandments). Thus, Sabbath is compared to Mosaic ordinances no longer in effect.
Their claim is all over the map - in brief, the Sabbath is still in effect, but keeping it has nothing to do with the seventh day.
Is it worth transcribing? For the laugh and cry? Maybe, if automated.
Steven Avery
More sabbath confusion this week - starts when the clock is at 3:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7spUhg92N8
At 3:19 Asi makes up history, that there was a time when the fellership worshipped on Sat. Then the broadcast glitches out, maybe divine judgment for lying.
Grace Savage
Steven Avery - they took it down
This might be it.
https://youtu.be/0GvfcJB80fE
Steven Avery
Author
Admin
Grace Savage - or it is only available to “approved” sign-ons.
Their doctrines are so confused and contradictory and Asi wings it so much, I sympathize with their problem.
E.g. we keep the sabbath, but it has nothing to do with the 7th day, it only means to do the will of God (we are pleasing our ministry elders) but Sunday is our rest day, our folks in Israel do Saturday to get along. Plus that fabricated history that the fellership at one time kept the (Biblical) creation Saturday 7th day.
On May 6, 2023 Asi is attacking anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists.
Steven Avery
Author
Admin
Ro Astrom - ironically in the 70s and 80s the fellership (now Homestead Heritage) was virtually 100% no-vax, home-birth (with a visit to The Farm) avoidance of drug treatments sorcery-pharmacopeia and an attempt at Biblical kosher. Confessions of a Medical Heretic became a fav book.
This new soft position on the jabs was one part of their apostasy using “Covid” as an excuse.
Not surprisingly, they also began to pray more and more fervently, mumbling and groaning and shouting, to the devil “Yahweh”. This moved them into another realm, from which recovery is difficult, absent a deep repentance.
And all without ever once mentioning the Decalogue.
========
They make so many blunders, in many areas, to let us know who is approved:
1) things have changed … pablum is the norm
2) their thinking has been hamstrung by Joel Stein’s Talmudic convoluted circles-within-circles writing, now ascribed to Blair. Read the 200 books, there is no Pure Bible to read, and the archaic and corrupt versions are second-fiddle at best.
3) none dare call this Christianity
(especially noting yahweh-jupiter worship and yahshua as well as the centrality of vows … I.e. oaths, swearing)
4) any ideas you had that they are “the answer” can be fully discarded, even with any anointing residue, and we can each search for the most solid Christian fellowship as called by God
5) their growth in numbers is shallow and superficial, and reflects the appeal of confusion to those hungry for anything with a semblance of community
6) core doctrines have radically changed, especially around the Apostolic doctrines … in a negative way of confusion and downgrading the Bible born-again experiences (Hebrews 6:2, Acts 2:38)
7) the center cannot hold
8 ) those inside are called by the Lord Jesus Christ to consider their steps … the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord
9} their spoken words fall to the ground, and tend toward dribbles, like these sections from Asi and the Lightweights. Thus the new censorship.
10) their move to quote-snippets from a dozen contradictory versions has had a pernicious effect
Steven Avery
Author
Admin
Worship on Saturday or Sunday?
https://www.youtube.com/live/GRtX0CeNsQE?feature=share
(Total doctrinal confusion - plan a review.)
Steven Avery
Author
Admin
In the July 1 broadcast they are asked how people become members.
There is a lot of blah-blah, but I heard nothing about believing in Jesus (Acts 8:37} and the supernatural born-again experiences!
Starts at 16:20.
Plan to go back and listen again.
Steven Avery
Author
Admin
Total confusion on the Names, apparently Tittley was shown some true material about Jehovah being correct, so he went to Talmudic Joel Stein to help him stay confused. Interesting to see how confused they are. Starting around 3:06 on their clock
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Also my personal experiences with Joel Stein, Tsafrir Yarden and Gary Linzer, where Gary especially wanted me to call the 7th-day sabbath doctrine a heresy.