Steven Avery said:
Comforter, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Spirit of Truth, Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of holiness
Lord, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus, Son, Christ, Jesus, Jesus of Nazareth, Son of God, God of Israel, the living God
Father, God, God the Father, Father God, Jehovah
The only reason you keep going on about this is that you want to keep your "naive modalism" example intact, which actually doesn't fit the rule.
Your micro-managing silly grammar claims is a cheapening of the Holiness of God and Christ. And other majestic titles given in the Bible for the Creator, for the Messiah, etc.
This approach should bring any true Christian to a state of revulsion. That revulsion about your grammatical arrogance against God is one reason I am spending extra time and effort.
This is a sophism. Christ's Holiness is not cheapened by discussing the grammatical distinction of terms and how they convey ideas in language. I could argue the reverse, that by obfuscating these passages you are robbing Christ of His proper distinction of "God" in such places.
The proper names/nouns in the list are Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, Jesus, and Jehovah. I don't recall seeing "Word" when I read the list before, but yes, that would serve as a proper name as well, and the same would be so of Immanuel.
The rest are appellatives (an identifying name or title; appellation
) or join appellatives in apposition to another noun. Proper names refer to such names as "Steven," "Brian," "Peter," "Paul," "Jesus," etc. Does it cheapen Christ's Holiness to say "Lord," for instance, is a title?
- noun A common name, in distinction from a proper name. A common name, or appellative, stands for a whole class, genus, or species of beings, or for universal ideas. Thus, tree is the name of all plants of a particular class; plant and vegetable are names of things that grow out of the earth. A proper name, on the other hand, stands for a single thing; as, Rome, Washington, Lake Erie.
- noun An appellation or title; a descriptive name.
a common noun that is used to address a person or thing, for example ‘mother’ or ‘doctor’
Proper Name (also called a proper noun)
noun: proper name
- a name used for an individual person, place, or organization, spelled with initial capital letters, e.g., Larry, Mexico, and Boston Red Sox. (Oxford languages)
- A common noun is the generic name for one item in a class or group. A proper noun, on the other hand, names a noun precisely . . . The distinction between common and proper nouns is usually quite easy to make, but it can occasionally be more difficult to intuit. (Grammerly)
be able to figure it out from there. For instance, Jehovah
is called both "God" and "Father." "God" describes Him as a deity. "Father" describes Him as one having a son. Jesus
is called "Lord," which describes him as a ruler; "Christ," which describes Him as one who has been ceremonially anointed; and "Son of God," which describes Him as being God's Son. Spirit of Truth
identifies one particular spirit, that which pertains to Truth
, and is used in reference to the Holy Spirit. "Comforter" is a descriptive name of the Holy Spirit as one who brings comfort (thus, "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost," John 14:26).
There are many called "god," "lord," "father," "son," "comforter." There are also spirits. Spirit of God
refers to a single spirit which is of God, which is the Holy Spirit. "Jesus of Nazereth" distinguishes Jesus from others named Jesus by stating His home town. "God of Israel" denotes one specific god, that of the Israelite nation (Jehovah), as opposed to the so-called gods of other countries.
Anyway, you have been unsure and confused on this verse, for whatever reasons.
It's not important to me as it is to you, since the validity of the rule does not hinge on whether "Christ" is taken as an appellative (which seems to me most probable) or a proper name/noun. But the latter is how it is viewed in English. As even Grammerly states, "The distinction between common and proper nouns
is usually quite easy to make, but it can occasionally be more difficult to intuit." Since this affects only a single place in the whole New Testament, I'm not concerned as you are.
In the meantime, I'm looking into the early writers and the English of the Bishop's Bible era to see how it was commented on. I don't feel the need to rush. Until then, as I've said, I'll err on the side of caution. Further needling of this
After all this you still do not have a final answer.
The rule is not affected by me having a "final answer." But I will take my time to look into it, and not be hurried by incessant badgering.
= to Sharp, who states, "except the nouns be . . . in the plural number." (p. 6)
= to Sharp, who states, "personal description," etc. (p. 3)
Personal description, etc.
= to Sharp, who states, "personal description respecting office, dignity, affinity, or connection, and attributes, properties, or qualities, good or ill" (p.3) and "except the nouns be proper names" (p. 6)
Please explain exactly how I have "reformulated" Sharp's rule to make it the "Winter Rule"?
You've accused me of this a number of times. If you can't substantiate the claim, then you both need to drop this nonsense and you owe me an apology for slandering me thus all over this forum.