Cyprian - Ad Jubaianum

Steven Avery

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Epistle 73 to Jubaianum:
If any one could be baptized by a heretic, and could obtain remission of sins, - if he has obtained remission of sins, and is sanctified, and become the temple of God? I ask, of what God? If of the Creator, he cannot be His temple, who has not believed in Him ; if of Christ, neither can he who denies Him to be God, be His temple ; if of the Holy Spirit, since the three are one, how can the Holy Spirit be reconciled to him, who is an enemy, either of the Father or of the Son?”

(Cyprian, Epistle 73 [to Jubaianus]; Translated by Thomas Hartwell Horne, 1825; Horne,”IV. Sect. V. On the First General Epistle of John”in Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, 1825, vol 4, p. 452)

An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, Volume 4 (1825)
Thomas Hartwell Horne

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Heurtley - Epistle 73
https://archive.org/details/harmoniasymboli00unkngoog/page/n37/mode/1up
 
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Steven Avery

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Dual numbering shown here
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/trinbap.htm
"(To Jubaianus,Epistle 72(73):18,in ANF,IV:383)

TNC Correction here
https://forums.carm.org/threads/tho...search-on-1-john-5-7.5539/page-71#post-440925

Also have Epistle 72 in Erasmus section

Currently this is listed as

Epistle 72
To Jubaianus, Concerning the Baptism of Heretics.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050672.htm

Epistle 73
To Pompey, Against the Epistle of Stephen About the Baptism of Heretics.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050673.htm
 
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Steven Avery

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Facebook - Textus Receptus Bibles
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Tex...45134289017&reply_comment_id=1491878520932345

CARM
https://forums.carm.org/threads/by-...o-the-old-latin-line.10470/page-4#post-851192

Bengel noticed a surprising Erasmus omission on Jubaianus, where he omitted "cum tres unum sunt" - see this referenced by George Travis, questioning the "candor of Erasmus". From my studies, the ms, evidence strongly supported the words.

Letters to Edward Gibbon (1794)
George Travis
https://books.google.com/books?id=nf0qAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA351

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Bengel
https://books.google.com/books?id=N9w-AAAAcAAJ&pg=RA2-PA461
later font
https://books.google.com/books?id=EFgPAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA121
 
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Steven Avery

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Hi TNC is spinning around, trying to make something out of nothing :) lets look at the second usage of the verse by Cyprian.

Epistle 73 to Jubaianum:
If any one could be baptized by a heretic, and could obtain remission of sins, - if he has obtained remission of sins, and is sanctified, and become the temple of God? I ask, of what God? If of the Creator, he cannot be His temple, who has not believed in Him ; if of Christ, neither can he who denies Him to be God, be His temple ; if of the Holy Spirit, since the three are one, how can the Holy Spirit be reconciled to him, who is an enemy, either of the Father or of the Son?”

(Cyprian, Epistle 73 [to Jubaianus]; Translated by Thomas Hartwell Horne, 1825; Horne,”IV. Sect. V. On the First General Epistle of John”in Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, 1825, vol 4, p. 452)

An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, Volume 4 (1825)
Thomas Hartwell Horne
https://books.google.com/books?id=cMNCAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA452

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And there are from two earlier CARM posts.

Isaac Newton, in An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture, even from his contra position, easily saw the connection between Unity of the Church and Ad Jubaianus.

The Recorder: Being a Collection of Tracts and Disquisitions, Chiefly Relative to the Modern State and Principles of the People Called Quakers, Volume 2 (1803)
https://books.google.com/books?id=j_MTEgkH3y4C&pg=PA186

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Thus Newton mistakenly tried to say they both were referencing verse 8.
Thus my question to you.

Do you also try to find an invisible allegory in Ad Jubaianus?

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Clearly, the full context is helpful,
And Cyprian had already acknowledged “these three are one” as a scriptural citation.
 

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