Jodicus Coccius - Victor of Vita - Council of Carthage 1500s editions.

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Posted on Roger Pearse
https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog...vita-quote-from-the-three-heavenly-witnesses/

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Wonderful research, Roger.

This book below by Albert Schönfelder:

De Victore Vitensi episcopo (1901)
Albert Schönfelder (1866-1940)
https://books.google.com/books?id=RasjBkmikDMC&pg=PA1

looks to have more information about the 1500s editions, referencing 1518, and the editio princeps.of:

Jehan Petit,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehan_Petit

who publshed in Paris. And it mentions various editions in the 1530s-1540s.

Also Richard Simon references a Jean Quinten, Basel edition:
https://books.google.com/books?id=2RYzAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA179

Jean Quintin edition - 1541, open to the verse reference
https://books.google.com/books?id=0ZxTAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA26
Also 1541
https://books.google.com/books?id=aUlPAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA653

This historical heavenly witnesses usage seems to have been missed, possibly unseen, or neglected, by Erasmus Beatus Rhenanus, referenced above, was a friend of Erasmus.

We have the Bellarmine 1870 edition, originally written c. 1586, which gives this as evidence for heavenly witnesses authenticity:
https://books.google.com/books?id=vzhEuiwwjkUC&pg=PA104

Jodicus Coccius has a fine apologetic in 1599
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA725
PRDL mixes together two Jodicus Coccius, this one is:
https://www.biblicalcyclopedia.com/C/coccius-jodocus-(1).html
https://books.google.com/books?id=vPC8m0_cz5wC&pg=PA962

Jodicus Coccius apologetic utilizes Eugenius in 1599 edition
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA725

References increase in the 1600s, and the Confession of Faith became an integral part of the discussion, through each century and today.

And there is even an interesting and helpful 2013 thread on the contra forum BVDB, Waterrock is James Snapp, who was trying to study and learn. The contras were trying to downplay and dismiss the usage at Carthage.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/bib...he-african-bishops-in-carthage-t5547-s20.html
Especially starting on post #41, James goes into the authenticity and significance:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/bib...he-african-bishops-in-carthage-t5547-s40.html

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And Roger when you refer to "the interpolated passage" this goes against the acceptance of the verse by the many hundred of orthodox and 'Arians' (or homoians) from a wide Meditteranean region. So, your term is anachronistic. And dependent on the very dubious position of the modern textual critics. :) Let the history speak unfettered!

Thanks, Roger!

Abraham Calov refers to the Coccius study on p. 725-726

Biblia Novi Testamenti Illustrata (1719)
Abraham Calov
https://books.google.com/books?id=i_hDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA1663
 
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Good pic with text
Posted by Michael George in sept. 2018

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....I mean with dozens (and then dozens more) of witnesses mentioning 'these three" which is unique to the JC, there has got to be a breaking point, where we need to be honest with ourselves and admit all these Patriarch's did mention I John 5:7.
 
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• [Burgess] Calovius, in his Biblia Illustrata [1719], quotes another work of Cyril (his treatise de recta in Christum fide) for the seventh verse. Calovius speaks of it without reference. But, Peltanus (Acta Tertiae Gen. Synod. 1576) in his version of Cyril's treatise, gives the Latin of the 7th verse. [Also: Jodocus Coccius in Thesaurus Catholicus, 1599]
(Burgess,”Note to P. XXVIII”in A Vindication of 1 John, V. 7. from the Objections of M. Griesbach, 1823, 2nd edition, p. XL)

Jodocus Coccius, S.J. (1581-1622)
• Coccius, Jodocus a canon of Julich, who was born of Lutheran parentage, and died about 1618, is the author of Thesaurus Catholicus (Cologne, 1599, fol.; 1619, 2 volumes). See Hartzheim, Bibl. Colon. p. 210; Rass, Convertiten, 8:500; Streber, in Wetzer u, Welte's Kirchen-Lexikon, s.v. (B.P.)
<www.biblicalcyclopedia.com/C/coccius-jodocus-(1).html>

• [Backus] A Canon of Juliers, Jodocus Coccius, who converted [to Roman Church] from Lutheranism on discovering the continuity and antiquity of the Catholic faith, spent twenty-four years gathering together ”the words of the Church Doctors which have flourished in continuous succession from the beginning of the Church until today and which have preserved and propagated the Catholic Doctrine by their perfect unanimity.”(n. 46. Coccius died before the dedication of his ”Thesaurus” drawn up by Laruent Trivius, dated 1599.)
(Backus,”The Fathers in 17th Century Roman Catholic Theology”in The Reception of the Church Fathers in the West, 1997, p. 962)

HIT:
● [Coccius] These words in 1 John 5: There are three who give testimony in heaven, Father, Word and Holy Spirit, and these three are one, may not be expunged, for this canonical Scripture is powerfully confirmed by Ecclesiastical dogma. Greek fathers assert it. Cyril of Alexandria (430 AD). De recta in Deum Fide ad Reginas: ”From the first epistle of John: For there are three who give testimony in heaven, Father, Word and Holy Spirit, and these three are one.”
(Coccius, Thesaurus Catholicus; Translated by Jeroen Beekhuizen, correspondence, June 2020)

○ Latin: I. Ioannis 5 Verba Illa: Tres Sunt Qui Testimonium Dant in Caelo, Pater, Verbum, Et Spiritus Sanctus, et Hi tres unum sunt, non expungenda esse: sed ut canonicam scripturam valere ad ecclesiastica dogmata confirmanda. Asserunt Patres Graeci. Cyrillus Alexandrinus (430 AD). De recta in Deum fide ad Reginas : Ex prima epistola Ioannis: Quoniam tres sunt qui testimonium dant in caelo, Pater, Verbum, & Spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt.
(Coccius, Thesaurus Catholicus, 1599, p. 725)

Coccius, Jodocus. Thesaurus catholicus in quo controversiae fidei ... SS. Scripturarum, conciliorum et SS. ... Patrum testimoniis ... explicantur. [Lieu de publication non identifié]: [éditeur non identifié], 1599
 
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12 Hits
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA38#v=onepage&q="pater verbum"&f=false

Verse p. 38
Index - also p. 11
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA2
Clemens Alexandrinus (not the verse)
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA39
verse
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA64
Zacharias Michylenaus (not the verse)
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA43

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https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA1115

Innocent III
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA92
https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/fourth-lateran-council-of-ad-1215.2168/

Guido Carmelita - Guido Terrena (PBF page)
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA93
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Terrena

Negay Lutheras ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA1018

Many

Oecumenius
Augustine
Erasmus
Martin Luther
Sixtus Senesis (Senensis)
Anabaptist
Bugenhagen
John Summerus contra Petrum Carolium

Athanasius
Cyril of Alexandria
Higinus
Cyprian
Idacius Clarus
Eugenius Carthage
Fulgentius
John Secundus - Epistola ad Valerium - related to Hyginus? Grantley says caro flesh
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Ambrosius Anbertus

Rudulphus Ardens

Rupertus Tuitiensis

Hugo Victorinus - have not found the Travis or Coccius hits

Alexander Tertius - Pope Alexander III - Roland Sienna
Epistola ad Soldanum
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Innocent III - Innocencius Tertius

Guido Carmelita - Guido Terrena
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Terrena
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Bernadinus Senensis

Laurentius Instinianus

John de Turrecremata
Juan de Torquemada
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/juan-de-torquemada.2099/

https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA725
https://books.google.com/books?id=f9t5yN0RfVIC&pg=PA726

p. 715
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