Romans 9:5 - three distinct affirmations about Christ - Murray Harris and Wolfgang Friedrich Gess

Steven Avery

Administrator
Don't be insulting and pretend I'm speaking of anything more than the passage of Romans 9:5, since you know my position on manuscripts from way back, and I can give you an informed answer concerning just about any significant variant in the NT text.

In this case, there's not a single variant listed in the NA28 text. This removes the only "variant" reading listed in the NA27, which is specifically noted as being "Schlichting cj," which means a conjectural (cj) emendation offered by Schlichting. There is also no variant listing in the UBS4 text, which reversed the previous conjectural emendation of the UBS3 committee that forced a doxology to the Father and was used in a small number of translations. The passage is punctuated the same in the critical texts and in the Textus Receptus. So what variant punctuation or variant are you proposing? Where's all the manuscripts with a full stop (not a middot) after "over all," etc., or supporting all these "various" readings you keep offering?

Greek punctuation among the manuscripts designates a short pause, long pause, or full stop. What we find in manuscripts such as Alexandrinus and other manuscripts is a middle dot, which corresponds with our comma, after "flesh." It is not a period. Thus you will find the middot in Stephen's 1550, and the comma in Beza's, and both signify one and the same thing.

This false claim by you is discussed now on a new thread.
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...hat-have-alternate-punctuation-and-text.2410/

And I never had any context other than Romans 9:5.
 

Steven Avery

Administrator
Yet, even if Romans 9:5 had some differences it could be an apposition with an adjective.
e.g. If there was a comma after adding two words, God the creator, you would have apposition and adjective.

Here is a simple example of apposition with an adjective. You falsely claimed that I said this is impossible.

NKJV
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came,who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

‘Why not stop the transparent bogus straw-man nonsense?
 

Brianrw

Member
This false claim by you is discussed now on a new thread.
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...hat-have-alternate-punctuation-and-text.2410/

And I never had any context other than Romans 9:5.
What false claim? I responded to you over there (link). May I suggest that you take more care in reading what someone writes, and less time feeling like you need to "correct" them by stating the same things they have already noted?

Here is a simple example of apposition with an adjective. You falsely claimed that I said this is impossible.
Would you rather that I used your specific words, "circular," "appositional theory," "awkward double duty," "double ellipses," "wacky," "lack of any punctuation to show the apposition." Or my favorite from Reddit (which I'm following with interest): "the adjectival idea has God doing double-duty, both in apposition to Christ and connected to blessed. This is not a comfortable English reading."

The problem with your continual practice of forming ad hoc explanations is that eventually they catch up to you, and your position becomes more difficult. But now that you have been continually corrected both here (and on Reddit), are you willing to change your tune? That is, did this have anything to do with it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/grammar/comments/rew8p1/_/hprcye3
In fact, how far did your question (and two that seem somehow connected) get over there on Reddit? It doesn't seem it was received very favorably:

https://www.reddit.com/r/grammar/comments/rew8p1/_/hob8o47
https://www.reddit.com/r/Koine/comments/ree9lp/_/ho77pv7
And note that he agreed with the follow up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Koine/comments/ree9lp/_/ho7887a
https://www.reddit.com/r/Koine/comments/ree9lp/_/hph0tw2
 
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