The Latin Text at the Council of Carthage - Vulgate or Old Latin?

[Steven Avery]

The Latin Text at the Council of Carthage - Vulgate or Old Latin?

BCEME - p. 114

the presence of the comma in the African text of the Latin Vulgate was indicated by the fact that it was cited by the bishops who appeared before Hunneric.

Nope.
This was an Old Latin text in use in the 400s at the Council .. not the Latin Vulgate.

Note: If it was the Vulgate, that would immediately eliminate the common false textcrit argument that Jerome did not include the heavenly witnesses in his Vulgate Latin.

However, the Old Latin is even more important, as it is considered as no later than a second century line. In the third century Tertullian and Cyprian were using this text, and Carthage proves it was a very early text, to be fully accepted in this wide region.

This error by Grantley may go back to Isaac Newton, who created a false and even absurd textual lineage that included Jerome inserting the verse in the Latin Vulgate, then onward to Carthage!

The Christian Reflector and Theological Inquirer, Volume 1 (1820)
https://books.google.com/books?id=Oc48AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA5

Isaac Newton The history of the corruption appears to be this; First, some of the Latins interpreted the Spirit, Water, and Blood, to mean the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, to prove them one. Then Jerome, for the same end, inserted the Trinity in express words into his version. And from him the Africans began to allege it against the Vandals, about 64 years after his death. Afterwards the Latins noted his variations in the margins of their books, and thence it began at length to creep into the text by transcribing, and that chiefly in the 12th and following centuries, when disputing was revived by the Schoolmen.

https://books.google.com/books?id=adoYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA258

This was corrected by a strong source, totally missed by Grantley (the type of source he denigrates as 'mediocre' in our Facebook discussion. Grantley would do well to read a bit wider, maybe then he can write a follow-up paper accepting Heavenly Witnesses authenticity!)

The Three Witnesses. The Disputed Text in St. John: Considerations New and Old
Henry Thomas Armfield:
https://books.google.com/books?id=5eQCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA143

Note, absurd claims of first use are frequently absurd, such as Gibbon claiming the Council of Carthage actually was the place of interpolation. Given without correction in RGA p. 256.

Finding a specific analysis of the Council Latin text is a bit more difficult, however it is well-known that Vulgate dominance really took until the 600s, after Cassiodorus.

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Note: Grantley does not tell his readers that this was c 400+ bishops from a wide Mediterranean region, and how the verse was fully affirmed. There are other posts here about how the Council is referenced in RGA and BCEME.

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Council of Carthage - John Moorhead

https://la.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Historia_persecutionis_Africae_provinciae google books pdf of text

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