the sinking pericope theories of James Snapp that are contra traditional Markan ending authenticity

[Steven Avery]

"the sinking pericope theories of James Snapp that are contra Markan ending authenticity"

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[Steven Avery]

Yes, James talks of a floating pericope, but it is the theories that are sinking. And yes, James pretends that he is defending Markan authenticity. However, his position is easily refuted by the contras and is a faux authenticity.

Also to be added here. Information about the books by Hester and Lunn, and their positions.

What is not included here is the discussions of particular evidences, that is planned for a separate thread. And there is lots of fine material easily available about the massive evidences.

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Specifically on the Snapp Sinking Pericope Theories

Here are some of the discussions to date. The plan is to make them into an article here:

Facebook - Pure Bible
ending of Mark - twelve verses with the resurrection appearances of the Lord Jesus - the James Snapp straddle - floating pericopes
Steven Avery - Sept 11, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/860452200713337/

Facebook - Pure Bible
Steven Avery - December 15, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/901955826562974/
2 new books on the Ending of Mark, one by David Wayne Hester, one by . Nicholas P. Lunn, both have lots of strengths (e.g. on ECW references) and some weaknesses.

Facebook - King James Bible Debate - May, 2016
https://www.facebook.com/groups/21209666692/permalink/10153636956921693/

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Other significant writing related to the Mark ending

[textualcriticism] ending of Mark - celebrating 125 years of an a fortiori fallacy
Steven Avery - Feb 18, 2012
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/textualcriticism/conversations/topics/7026
also
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/textualcriticism/conversations/topics/7036

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Resources

the sinking pericope theories of James Snapp that are contra Markan ending authenticity (this thread) - April, 2016
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/c.33.a/post-59

The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel According to S. Mark Vindicated Against Recent Critical Objectors and Established (1871)
John William Burgon
https://books.google.com/books?id=LtpJAAAAMAAJ

Perspectives on the Ending of Mark (2008)
http://www.amazon.com/Perspectives-Ending-Mark-Daniel-Wallace-ebook/dp/B004OR17WK
Only .99 on kindle, and includes excellent Maurice Robinson material.
https://books.google.com/books?id=fA65AwAAQBAJ

The Original Ending of Mark: A New Case for the Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 (2014)
Nicholas P. Lunn
http://www.amazon.com/Original-Ending-Mark-Case-Authenticity-ebook/dp/B00OU6OB78
https://books.google.com/books?id=D1UNBQAAQBAJ
https://books.google.com/books?id=bM0SBQAAQBAJ
https://books.google.com/books?id=MtDwCAAAQBAJ

Does Mark 16:9-20 Belong in the New Testament? -
David W. Hester
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VL7AA9W/
https://books.google.com/books?id=vzb6CQAAQBAJ

The Earliest Evidence for the Longer Ending of Mark (Nov, 2015)
Justin D. Atkins
http://www.wordmp3.com/details.aspx?id=20837

Apologetics Press - Dave Miller
Is Mark 16:9-20 Inspired? (2005)
http://apologeticspress.org/apPubPage.aspx?pub=1&issue=572&article=433
The Strongest Argument Against Mark 16:9-20
http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=13&article=5151

CARM
Mark 16:9-20 - Authentic or Not? - Snapp and Wallack - (2010)
http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?4700-Mark-16-9-20-Authentic-or-Not-Snapp-and-Wallack
First of many uses of the Snapp confusion concession position working effectively used contra authenticity.

Evangelical Textual Criticism
Lunn on the End of Mark - July, 2015
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2015/07/lunn-on-end-of-mark.html
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2015/07/lunn-on-end-of-mark-part-2.html
In part 1 comments, similar to CARM above, except that I could correct the Snapp error.
Others like Stephen Carlson have also caught the Snapp conceptual problem.

Facebook - New Testament Textual Criticism - Oct 20, 2014
Maurice Robinson in Perspectives - Steven Avery Review
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/permalink/741986362555033/

James Snapp

The Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 (2012)
James E. Snapp, Jr.
http://www.textexcavation.com/snapp/AuthEndingMkTextEx2012.doc

Authentic: The Case for Mark 16:9-20 - Kindle (2016)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EU1OR9O
$5 most current

James Snapp - HTML friendly
The Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20
http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkOne.htm

The Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 - (Part Two)
External Evidence for the Inclusion
http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkTwo.htm

The Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 - (Part Three)
http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkThree.htm

Early Evidence for Mark 16:9-20
http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/Evidence.htm

Resources to Assist the Study of Mark 16:9-20
http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/AuthSuppl.htm

Twenty-eight Pictures to Assist the Study of Mark 16:9-20
http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/AuthSuppl.html
".. video-lectures about Mark 16:9-20 are available to watch at YouTube"

The NET and the Ending of Mark (Updated!) - April 19, 2013
http://www.thetextofthegospels.com/2013/04/the-net-and-ending-of-mark.html
There are many "correction of textual critics" and popular misinformation articles like this one. Since NETBible is Daniel Wallace, this gives the basic picture.

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Lesser interest - Carlson review

Facebook - Steven Avery wall - Nov 16, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/steven.avery.7568/posts/980267132009485
... we note a reference to the Stephen Carlson review of the Nicholas Lunn book on the Mark ending.

Carlson review - http://www.fbs.org.au/reviews/lunn63.html

Facebook - NT Textual Criticism
James E. Snapp, Jr. - Nov 17, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/permalink/1004706499616350/
James Snapp reviews the grossly deficient review of the Nicholas Lunn book by Stephen Carlson

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Early History in Reformation era of Ending considerations

[TC-Alternate-list] EoM - Cajetan and Catharinus
Steven Avery - Nov 2, 2008
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TC-Alternate-list/conversations/messages/2215

New Testament Textual Criticism - Steven Avery - June, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/permalink/877714438982224/?comment_id=891290610957940&offset=0&total_comments=37&comment_tracking={tn%3AR4}

Along with the Jan Krans blog with the comments:

The Turning Point for Mark 16:9-20
http://vuntblog.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-turning-point-for-mark-169-20.html

Two of the only online posts on the earlier discussions about the section's authenticity.

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Facebook - NT Textual Criticism - Jan, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/permalink/790420971044905/?comment_id=796635580423444&comment_tracking={tn%3AR3}

Facebook - NT Textual Criticism - July, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/915065778580423/?comment_id=915240841896250&ref=notif&notif_t=like

Facebook - NT Textual Criticism - Nov, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTT..._id=1005463349540665&comment_tracking={tn:R0}

early sinking pericopes - to be made into one article

Facebook - NT Textual Criticism -
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/862070457213289/ April, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NTTextualCriticism/permalink/790420971044905/ - Jan, 2015

Facebook - King James Bible Debate - May, 2015

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[Steven Avery]

Piling up the absurdities in the James Snapp special pleading ahistorical conjectural fabrication
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467...DYkOWGCbXoSw43iZJjZm4UivVhwxoZKED&__tn__=R]-R

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James Snapp

I theorize that Mark himself was interrupted when writing 16:8, and that an unidentified person finished Mark's otherwise unfinished account by adding verses 9-20, which he did not compose on the spot, but obtained from an earlier, probably Markan, composition, which accounts for the internal disconnect between v. 8 and the contents of v. 9 (which no one would have composed for the purpose of creating a continuation of the narrative from Mark 16:8). The takeaway is that whatever questions may be raised regarding source-materials, authorship, etc., verses 9-20 were included in the text before the first copies were made, and thus constitute part of the original text.

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"I theorize that Mark himself was interrupted when writing 16:8"

Why? He was down to the wire and all of a sudden he is arrested or dies?
There is not even an iota of historical evidence behind this conjecture.

And amazingly, Mark simply could not get the resurrection appearances done?

Why not simply say the ending flopped off?
One reason - then there would have been a true earlier ending, and James theory would be out the window.

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Oh, this also requires late dating of Mark, to put some fuzz into the claim. The Gospel was actually written in the 40s, making the claim even that much more absurd. Historically, this Mark death or arrest would be well known.

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and that an unidentified person finished Mark's otherwise unfinished account by adding verses 9-20,

To be continued.