the spirit, and the water, and the blood - small "s" - earthly witnesses - Gospel verse confirmations!

Steven Avery · Sep 10, 2015

A capital "S" there is the largest mistake that you will find in many AV editions, since this is not meant by the apostle John as a Holy Spirit reference. (In the mangled versions, without the heavenly witnesses, anything goes.)

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1 John 5:7-8 (AV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.

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King James Bible Debate (modified a bit)
Steven Avery - Oct 14, 2014
https://www.facebook.com/groups/212...=10152452179586693&offset=0&total_comments=12

....the capital S in some editions is a real concern, since it forces the spirit of the earthly witnesses to be the Holy Spirit (awkwardly duplicating verse 7).

Good interpretations of verse 8 can have a couple of ideas, including a reference to the crucifixion and these witnesses.

Luke 23:46 (AV)
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:
and having said thus,
he gave up the ghost.

Matthew 26:50 (AV)
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice,
yielded up the ghost.

Mark 15:37 (AV)
And Jesus cried with a loud voice,
and gave up the ghost.

Psalms 31:5 (AV)
Into thine hand I commit my spirit:
thou hast redeemed me,
O LORD God of truth.

John 19:30 (AV)
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
he said, It is finished:
and he bowed his head,
and gave up the ghost.

John 19:34 (AV)
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side,
and forthwith came there out blood and water.

These last two verses covering the three component earthly witnesses and being written by John is a strong indication of interpretation strength.

Notice that the Johannine 1 John theme of bearing record comes forth in the very next verse.

John 19:35 (AV)
And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true:
and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

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Even if your interpretation is different, e.g. sacramental, the Holy Spirit is not the proper understanding there.

And if I have an AV with the capital "S", I change it either mentally or by pen.
Generally, I am pro-PCE as a type of "Received Text" edition of the AV. However, beyond 1 John 5:8, differences tend toward microscopic, and I recommend first and foremost going to any good, solid AV.

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CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS BLUNDER

Cambridge University Press 1985 Blunder
Jerry L. Hooper
http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/wp-content/uploads/CambridgeLetter.pdf

LCBP - Local Church Bible Publishes - joins in error
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48

Matthew Verschuur on Cambridge Blunderama Letter
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97

Gail Riplinger gets this wrong:
http://www.ourkjv.com/KJB.pdf

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2015 - more Brent Riggs Absurdity .. on this topic

"You could print the Scriptures upside down in all block capital letters with no spaces between letters and words and would not effect the inerrancy, purity, perfectness, completeness, exactness, etc. etc. etc. of the Scriptures one iota."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ModeratedKingJamesBibleDebate/permalink/885965581486487/?comment_id=885972361485809&offset=0&total_comments=17&comment_tracking={"tn":"R9"}

"When you mess with the book.."

To the charlatan, it does not matter whether the Bible refers to the spirit of the Lord Jesus given up at the crucifixion or the Holy Spirit given to men for regeneration. "It's all good".

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AV 1611 had Spirit, Water and Blood all capitalized, equivalent to none being capitalized
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...27527435.1073741833.1671391851&type=1&theater

This has been on Univ of Penn page, which has been down
http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=kjbible&PagePosition=1483
now
https://archive.org/details/1611TheAuthorizedKingJamesBible/page/n1483/mode/2up

https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/1491326651713192/?

The use of "s" or "S" in Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28, 1 John 5:8 varies in some pre-1769 printings. For examples:

This scan of a 1611 King James Bible printed by Robert Barker shows that they have as the small "s" in Acts 11:12 and Acts 11:28, but the capital "S" in 1 John 5:8. (Note that Water and Blood are also capitalized in 1 John 5:8).
https://archive.org/details/1611TheAuthorizedKingJamesBible/page/n1483/mode/2up?view=theater

This scan of a 1619 King James Bible printed by Bonham, Norton, and Bill shows that they have the small "s" in Acts 11:12, the capital "S" in Acts 11:28 and 1 John 5:8. (Notice, it also has Blood capitalized in 1 John 5:8.)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/THE_HOLY_BIBLE_Containing_the_Old_Testam/ocBfAAAAcAAJ

This scan of a 1631 King James Bible printed by Robert Barker shows that they have the capital "S" in all of the three verses, Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28, 1 John 5:8. (Notice, it also has Water capitalized in 1 John 5:8.)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Holy_Bible_Containing_the_Old_Testam/5YHaizIjSdcC

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we need first one with small water and blood
check 1628 1639 etc

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BibleProtector, Matthew Verschuur, is for the proper small "s", however in a quirky manner.
This is one example I found.

"Also, I might add that 1 John 5:8 talks about the born again spirit, related to the conscience, which KNOWS it is born again, see 1 John 5:9. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6). Clearly, I do not deny the Holy Ghost's active, important, paramount role in this."

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The info in Guide to The Matthew's PCE is mixed, right result, reasoning is far too unnecessarily complicated:

Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition
http://www.bibleprotector.com/GUIDE_TO_PCE.pdf

The same basic ideas from Matthew you can find here:

The spirit case: an overview
https://web.archive.org/web/20120321132823/http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428

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Henry Thomas Armfield gives the strong explanation, that only works with the pure Bible text (many Reformation scholars as well.) If you have the capital "S", you have to fish around for an interpretation, because your text is wrong.

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From the earlier BibleProtector forum back in 2011:

1 John 5:8 - "spirit..water..blood" - lower case s
http://web.archive.org/web/20120326212822/http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=531

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The true church of the Bible (1895)
Part II, Instruction for Jews and Unitarians
Chapter II, The Incarnation of God the Son
William Fleming
http://books.google.com/books?id=VgqKNTzACNgC&pg=PA90

The Spirit or Holy Ghost in verse 7 must not be taken as identical with the spirit in verse 8. SS. Athanasius and Augustine teach that the spirit in the latter verse refers to the last dying breath of our Lord when He 'gave up the ghost' (John, xix. 30); and ' the water and blood' to that which issued from His side, opened by the soldier's lance (John, xix. 34), both of which prove that Jesus is truly man. On the other hand, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit in verse 7 testified at Christ's baptism that He is truly God. That testimony is given by

St. Matthew (iii. 16-17): 'And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. (John, viii. 14).

Hence the Father, the Holy Ghost, and our Lord Himself testify to His divinity; and the water and blood, together with our Lord's last breath, bear witness to His sacred humanity

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Matthew Verschuur shows 1637 Cambridge:

"1 John 5:8 correctly has lowercase “s” on the word “spirit”, as was published in 1638, 1769 and in the Pure Cambridge Edition. Most historical editions of the KJB have lower case “s” on “spirit” at 1 John 5:8, this is a scan from the 1637 Cambridge."
https://web.archive.org/web/20120322061752/http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=487

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Will Kinney brought up some counterpoint in defense of the capital "S". Will's post is here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/860080037417220/?comment_id=860147360743821&offset=0&total_comments=9&comment_tracking={"tn":"R4"}
And leads to this article.

“Spirit” or “spirit”?
http://brandplucked.webs.com/spiritorspirit.htm

And I have four posts after that, that I will plan on placing in here. For now, here is a key pic,
from the 1612 Confession of Faith of the English Baptists in Amsterdam! One year after the publication of the AV.

Please note that this works ONLY with the spirit (small "s") as the context of the earthly witnesses.

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Baptist Confessions of Faith
William Joseph McGlothlin
https://books.google.com/books?id=-jMXAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA72

Confession of Faith of Certain English People Living in Amsterdam (1612)

6. That there are three which bear witness in the earth, the spirit, water and blood, and these three are one in testimony, witnessing that Christ truly died (1 John v. 8) for He gave up the ghost (John xix. 30); and out of His side pierced with a spear came water and blood (verse 34. 35), the cover of the heart being pierced, where there is water contained.

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John Smith the se-Baptist, Thomas Helwys, and the first Baptist church in England :
with fresh light upon the Pilgrim Fathers' church (1911)
Walter Herbert Burgess
https://archive.org/stream/johnsmithsebapti00burgrich...

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One of the greatest defenders of the heavenly witnesses authenticity was Thomas Burgess (1756-1837). And Burgess was familiar with the exegesis in Greek, Latin, English and more and had a real heart for the meaning within the Bible text. Please read Thomas Burgess on this question of the sense of the earthly witnesses, and how important is the majestic Bible symmetry. (These two books have the same material.)

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An introduction to the controversy on the disputed verse of st. John, as revived by mr. Gibbon. To which is added, Christian theocracy, or, A second letter to mrs. Joanna Baillie, on the doctrine of the Trinity (1835)
Thomas Burgess
https://books.google.com/books?id=GyTD51w2lnMC&pg=PA71

... the disputed Verse has the same internal evidence of its authenticity, as that which authenticates the whole of the Epistle of St. John ; namely, the coincidence of its diction and doctrine with the language and reasoning of St. John in his Gospel, with this additional proof in its favour, that the threefold testimony of the Heavenly Witnesses, in the seventh verse, and the name by which the second Person of the Trinity is there distinguished, are peculiar to the Gospel and the Epistle of St. John. The eighth verse is also remarkable as an evidence of the Epistle by its coincidence with the three signs of Christ's death on the Cross, contained in the 19th ch. of the Gospel, ver. 30, 34 : "And he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost,"—yielded up his spirit,—" And one of the soldiers, with a spear, "pierced his side ; and forthwith came thereout "blood and water." The seventh and eighth verses, therefore, are summary confirmations of the two great doctrines of the Epistle.

Please read through p. 73.
Beautiful. Amazing.

4. "The sense of the Apostle is very complete without it." [Samuel Clarke]

If the object of the Apostle in this Epistle be

(1.) to assert the Divinity and Incarnation of Christ, and
(2.) to condemn the two heresies, which were opposed to that doctrine; and
(3.) if the seventh Verse contains the threefold testimony of the Heavenly Witnesses to the Divinity of Christ, as recorded in St. John's Gospel; and
(4.) the eighth has the three evidences of the death of Christ on the Cross, recorded in the same Gospel (if these several
positions be evident, as I have endeavoured to prove), then the sense of the Apostle is not complete without both Verses. p.87

** the sense of the Apostle is not complete without both Verses.**

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Christian theocracy, or, The doctrine of the Trinity, and the ministration of the Holy Spirit, the leading and pervading doctrine of the New Testament, a letter (1834)
Thomas Burgess
https://books.google.com/books?id=il7f7QSBnl8C&pg=PA15

.... To this threefold testimony of the heavenly witnesses, St John refers in his First General Epistle, v. 7:

"There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one."

The three evidences of Christ's death on the Cross, are, his expiration, and the blood and water which issued from his side. And "he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost" (John xix. 30); that is, "yielded up" his spirit, according to our Saviour's own words:

"Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" (Luke xxiii. 46.) And one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came thereout blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true; and he knoweth that he saith "true, that ye might believe" (John xix. 34,35).

The evidences of Christ's death, and. therefore of his human nature, St. John has so emphatically confirmed by the assurance of his own personal knowledge of what he saw, as to leave no doubt that he had in view the heresy that denied that the Son of God was come in the flesh; the heresy which he has twice reprobated in his Epistles as the work of " deceivers and antichrists *' (1 Ep. iv. 2, and 2 Ep. ver. 7). The Gospel and the Epistle, by their numerous correspondences in doctrine and diction, mutually prove that they were written by the same person. And of the many coincidences and references which contain the evidence of such identity, none are more decisive than the coincidence of the diction and doctrine of the threefold testimony in both verses with the Gospel of St. John.

Of the external and internal evidences of the disputed Verse of St. John (as far as they can be brought within the view of an unlearned reader), more will be said in a subsequent part of these pages.

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These internal evidences and consistency elements are truly amazing and beautiful.
They are helpful in understanding heavenly witnesses authenticity. And some of them (there are many) really impel us to understand the proper small "spirit" in verse 8.

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There are two posts that are less salient that can stay over on Facebook. One is some comments on Will's post, the other is a quick look at the Plummer commentary.

Steven Avery
Sept 10, 2015

Steven Avery · Jun 18, 2021

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I checked an
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"anno 1612" (which one is that?)
https://books.google.com/books?id=gc5fAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA3-PA48

https://books.google.com/books?id=P9s_AAAAcAAJ&pg=RA2-PA190 (1613)
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https://books.google.com/books?id=0tBfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PR1371 (1615)
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https://books.google.com/books?id=ocBfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA111 (1619)
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https://archive.org/stream/holybiblecontain00cambiala#page/1136/mode/2up (1637)

The movement was:
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Spirit Water Blood
Spirit water Blood
spirit water blood (1637 revision)
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So far, it seems like 1637 is the first AV that "counts".
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Steven
https://www.facebook.com/groups/pur...154874076403&reply_comment_id=860359764055914

Steven Avery · Nov 3, 2021

his leads Hincmar to some thoughts on the number three in 1 John 5:8 which is where he records a song of Ambrose. In this song it is evident that the first several ”three's” are coming straight from Scripture. The first is a reference to 1 John 5:7. The second is a reference to 1 John 5:8, referring to the three types (Latin species) of material that were at the cross Spirit, water and blood yet being one redemption (Ambrose like many others compared 1 John 5:6-8 with John 19:30, 34).

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[Burgess] Eucherius states three opinions respecting the interpretation of the eighth verse; his own, referring to the crucifixion, (which was also the opinion of Cassiodorus and the Glossa Ordinaria ; )

This may be true of the Glossa, but I see Burgess only mentioning Cassiodorus.
https://books.google.com/books?id=SVD46KoswYsC&pg=PA45

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Contra Maximinum, Lib. II. C. 22 §3

[Augustine] Three things then we know to have issued from the Body of the Lord when He hung upon the tree: first, the spirit: of which it is written,”And He bowed the head and gave up the spirit:”(John 19:30) then, as His side was pierced by the spear, ”blood and water.” (cf. John 19:34) Which three things if we look at as they are in themselves, they are in substance several and distinct, and therefore they are not one

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Burgess
https://books.google.com/books?id=DI1QNrUdMpAC&pg=PA25

Such a oneness with God would not have subjected him to the death of the Cross. His Incarnation is proved by his death, and by those evidences of it which are recorded in St. John's Gospel (John 19:30, 34) namely, his expiration on the Cross, and the blood and water which issued from his side.

Steven Avery · Nov 3, 2021

John Smith the se-Baptist, Thomas Helwys, and the first Baptist church in England [microform] : with fresh light upon the Pilgrim Fathers' church (1911)
by Walter Herbert Burgess
https://archive.org/details/johnsmithsebapti00burgrich/page/246/mode/2up

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Patrick Symon
https://archive.org/details/witnesseschrist01patruoft/page/366/mode/1up

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And more from the bookmarks.

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Steven Avery · Nov 4, 2021

Cornelius Lapide
https://books.google.com/books?id=IYM9AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA248

Dabney
https://books.google.com/books?id=CF3UAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA380

Steven Avery · Nov 4, 2021

Witness of God is Greater

Lamy
https://books.google.com/books?id=EAPOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA468

Comment:
[Lamy] Tischendorf acknowledges that Cassiodorus, a man deeply versed in Holy Scripture, knew the text of the three heavenly witnesses. In his [Cassiodorus’] work entitled Complexiones in Epistolis Apostolorum, which Scipio Maffei edited from an almost contemporaneous manuscript, Cassiodorus thus expresses himself on I. Joan., v. [Latin] Cassiodorus, like St Eucherius, mystically interprets water, blood and spirit, as three symbols concerning the Passion of Christ. To those.three earthly symbols in terra, he opposes the three heavenly witnesses in coelo, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one God. Evidently we have here verse 7. Cassiodorus does not cite it textually, but he gives the sense of it. He puts it in opposition to verse 8, for he contrasts in coelo with in terra. The last words:”And these three are one” (Latin: Et hi tres unus est Deus) can be referred only to verse 7, since Cassiodorus refers”the three are one”(Latin: tria unum sunt) of verse 8, to the Passion of Our Saviour. It is also to be remarked that Cassiodorus uses the pre-hieronymian Vulgate and not the version of St. Jerome. Maffei's conclusion is therefore justified when he says: Verse 7 was read not only in Africa, but in the most ancient and the most accurate Codices of the Roman Church, since Cassiodorus recommended to the monks to seek, above all else, the correct copies and to compare them with the Greek.
(Lamy,”The Decision of the Holy Office on the Comma Johanneum” in American Ecclesiastical Review 1897, p. 468)

Steven Avery · Nov 12, 2021

Placed on:

CARM - Nov 12, 2021
heavenly and earthly witnesses - two different usages of pneuma/spirit
https://forums.carm.org/threads/hea...s-two-different-usages-of-pneuma-spirit.7244/

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Joseph John Gurney on the two different usages of spirit, which affects the capitalization, when Porson mistakenly claimed Holy Spirit in both verses. This error is also in CARM by TNC.

Remarks on the general tenour of the New Testament, regarding the nature and dignity of Jesus Christ, addressed to mrs. Joanna Baillie [in reply to A view of the general tenour of the New Testament regarding the nature and dignity of Jesus Christ.]. Appendix on sir Isaac Newton's suppression of his dissertation on 1 John v. 7. and 1 Tim. iii. 16
https://books.google.com/books?id=m6sGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR9

Joseph John Gurney, Esq. Author of Biblical Notes and Dissertations

A difficulty has also been objected as to the right acceptation of the word spirit, in the eighth and the seventh verses. Mr. Porson asks,

“If the spirit, in the eighth verse, refers to the Holy Spirit, what is the sense of the same Spirit witnessing both in heaven and on earth ?”

I see no difficulty in an omnipresent Spirit's witnessing both in heaven and on earth, if the same Spirit were meant in both verses ; but if Augustine, Eucherius, Cassiodorus, and others of the ancient commentators have rightly interpreted (as I conceive they have) the literal sense of the eighth verse, the Holy Spirit is not there meant, but the human Spirit (SA: this should be spirit) of Christ, expiring on the cross.

Again, Mr. Porson asks, “Why is the epithet [holy,]” after being twice omitted, added [to Spirit] in the seventh verse ? Beza says,

“In order to distinguish one Spirit from the other, ut ab eo distinguatur cujus fit mentio in sequenti versu."

Perhaps, too, because when the Three Divine Persons are connumerated in the same passage, as in Matth. xxviii. 19, 2 Cor. xiii. 14, the epithet was usually added. It may also be asked, why, in the original, the expression of unity in the two verses differs, one from the other, both doctrinally and grammatically? The reason appears to be, because in one the unity is essential and real; in the other, adventitious and apparent only; and because the eighth verse is dependent on the seventh, as a relative is on its antecedent.*

* On the grammatical ground of the dependence of the eighth verse on the seventh, see Wolfii Curae Philol. ad locum; the Archbishop of Cherson’s Letter to Matthaei; and Bishop Middleton’s Doctrine of the Greek Article.

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Porson's nonsense can be seen here in the
1790 edition
http://books.google.com/books?id=_X5AAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA397
1828 edition
https://books.google.com/books?id=wX0_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA76

Search for Beza's
ut ab eo distinguatur cujus sit mentio in sequenti versu
leads to his two pages on:

Travis
https://books.google.com/books?id=QwcrAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA9

Steven Avery · Feb 20, 2022

A Facebook attempt to use Stephen Smalley to argue for Holy Spirit in v. 8 (Smalley, however, rejects the heavenly witnesses).

Facebook - Feb 2002
Textus Receptus Academy
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/posts/1063432317835963/

Doc file that uses Smalley - of no value
https://www.docdroid.net/XbjbIDx/1-john-305-308-ss-pdf

Facebook - Feb, 2022
King James Bible Debate
https://www.facebook.com/groups/21209666692/posts/10159245917226693/

Steven Avery · May 28, 2022

TNC repeats this error in 2022 in the new CARM
https://forums.carm.org/threads/syr...e-line-and-the-comma.9270/page-36#post-735765

Steven Avery · May 28, 2022

https://books.google.com/books?id=4mlyCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT1306
Maria Thomas More book - discusses Augustine

Steven Avery · Jul 23, 2022

Steven Avery · Jul 23, 2022

In the early editions in the 1600s you could have Spirit, Water and Blood all capitalized, so that does not assist. Similarly I saw a couple of editions with either Spirit and Water or Spirit and Blood capitalized, so they do not assist either.

Overall, the preponderance of historic AV editions through to the 1800s were small "spirit", maybe 3/4, I have not yet checked the 1800s.

The move to the incorrect Spirit was caused by the fact that publishers were putting out corruption versions with the capital S. Those corruption versions lost the counterposing of the Holy Ghost with the spirit, since they only had verse 8, so they made verse 8 the Spirit to fill the void. Those confused publishers therefore, for a type of negative consistency, moved towards capitalizing Spirit in their AV editions. Still, I may try to survey the 1900s as well.

The basic point is clear, spirit is the historic text, and anyone who thinks this is simply a PCE issues is very much mistaken.

Steven Avery · Oct 23, 2022

Burgess
https://books.google.com/books?id=DI1QNrUdMpAC&pg=PA26

Steven Avery · Mar 29, 2023

Faceboook
Yi Ming-Shao
https://www.facebook.com/yiming.sha...eKN8rojcgyRE4ftwEx4LxaS368PULMcZc3rgkcXs94YJl
I was reading John 19 this morning.
Perhaps the use of "ghost" in v30 can partially explain the use of "spirit" (instead of "Spirit") in 1 John 5.8.

Steven Avery
This also confirms the interpretation of the earthly witnesses as a connection to the crucifixion.
This is lost in the modern versions without the heavenly witneses by the capitalization of Spirit, obliquely trying to make the verse refer to the Holy Spirit.

Steven Avery · Jan 10, 2024

Bibleprotector
Matthew Verschuur

Explaining the word “spirit” lower case (2016)
https://www.bibleprotector.com/blog/?p=397

Why is lower case “s” on “spirit” right? (2024)
http://www.bibleprotector.com/blog/?p=957

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Facebook - TRA
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/posts/1491326651713192/
Matthew Verschuur
Author
Having Barker's printings all online now is a huge help for showing things making their appearance prior to the Cambridge work of 1628/1629.

Steven Avery
Matthew Verschuur - good to document any editions with small case water and blood. Are there any before 1637?

Robert Lee Vaughn
The use of "s" or "S" in Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28, 1 John 5:8 varies in some pre-1769 printings. For examples:
This scan of a 1611 King James Bible printed by Robert Barker shows that they have as the small "s" in Acts 11:12 and Acts 11:28, but the capital "S" in 1 John 5:8. (Note that Water and Blood are also capitalized in 1 John 5:8).
https://archive.org/details/1611TheAuthorizedKingJamesBible/page/n1483/mode/2up
This scan of a 1619 King James Bible printed by Bonham, Norton, and Bill shows that they have the small "s" in Acts 11:12, the capital "S" in Acts 11:28 and 1 John 5:8. (Notice, it also has Blood capitalized in 1 John 5:8.)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/THE_HOLY_BIBLE_Containing_the_Old_Testam/ocBfAAAAcAAJ
This scan of a 1631 King James Bible printed by Robert Barker shows that they have the capital "S" in all of the three verses, Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28, 1 John 5:8. (Notice, it also has Water capitalized in 1 John 5:8.)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Holy_Bible_Containing_the_Old_Testam/5YHaizIjSdcC

Steven Avery
Robert Lee Vaughn - the first one that really counts is when water and blood are lower case.
1637 revision

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Matthew Verschuur shows 1637 Cambridge:
"1 John 5:8 correctly has lowercase “s” on the word “spirit”, as was published in 1638, 1769 and in the Pure Cambridge Edition. Most historical editions of the KJB have lower case “s” on “spirit” at 1 John 5:8, this is a scan from the 1637 Cambridge. "
https://web.archive.org/web/20120322061752/http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=487
I have to check 1637/1638
Picture is at url, also mirrored on my purebibleforum.

Robert Lee Vaughn
This 1637 printing has Spirit and Water uppercase, blood in lowercase. (Also no Apocrypha, interestingly)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/THE_HOLY_BIBLE_Containing_the_Old_Testam/ub1fAAAAcAAJ
This 1638 printing is as mentioned with all lowercase.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Holy_Bible/22TU7kghd0cC
I put together a list of links to scans I have found online. It is intended to be of printings of the King James. I left one on that I have not had time to double-check -- that is listed like it is King James, but I suspect may not be.
https://baptistsearch.blogspot.com/2023/01/17th-century-king-james-bible-printings.html

Steven Avery · Jul 20, 2024

Internal evidences (check PBF)

Additional Gospel confirmations

e.g. the Word

also Revelation

Steven Avery · Jul 22, 2024

Any nomina sacrra in v.7 and 8?

Steven Avery · Jan 12, 2025

Added Psalm 31:5 to try he first post!

Steven Avery · May 22, 2025

Facebook - Textus Receptus Academy - May 2025
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/posts/1826635818182272/

Steven Avery · May 23, 2025

Harry Thomas Armfield

William Fleming

William Joseph McGlothlin

Walter Herbert Burgess

Thomas Burgess (1756-1837).

Samuel Clarke

Hincmar

Ambrose

Eucherius

Cassiodorus

Glossa Ordinaria

Augustine

Patrick Symon

Cornelius Lapide

Dabney

Lamy

Joseph John Gurney

Beza is referenced

Travis and Porson

Maria Thomas More book - discusses Augustine

Authorized, Geneva and Vulgate editions

the spirit, and the water, and the blood - small "s" - earthly witnesses - Gospel verse confirmations!

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