Romans 9:5 trichotomy interpretation - identity, high Christology, Unitarian - errors on both sides!

Steven Avery

Administrator
Paul in his epistle to the Hebrews writes, “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom . . . And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands” (Hebrews 1:8, 10). So again the Father is conversing with the Son.

Only a doctrinal charlatan would quote verse 8 and 10 and not quote verse 9, which says that God the Father is the God of Jesus.

Hebrews 1:9 (AV)
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God,
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 

Brianrw

Member
Only a doctrinal charlatan would quote verse 8 and 10 and not quote verse 9, which says that God the Father is the God of Jesus.

Hebrews 1:9 (AV)
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God,
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
In what way? My point was not whether or not the Son was subject to the Father, or whether He is God, but answering that Jesus is not the Father. I quoted this passage to show that they are two persons of the eternal and consubstantial Trinity, not one. Thus I said, in what you quote from me above, "So again the Father is conversing with the Son." Hebrews 1:9 strengthens that point, it just wasn't necessary for it.

Are you implying then, as the Arians, that the Son is a little God, and the Father is great?
 

Steven Avery

Administrator
In what way? My point was not whether or not the Son was subject to the Father, or whether He is God, but answering that Jesus is not the Father. I quoted this passage to show that they are two persons of the eternal and consubstantial Trinity, not one. Thus I said, in what you quote from me above, "So again the Father is conversing with the Son." Hebrews 1:9 strengthens that point, it just wasn't necessary for it.

Are you implying then, as the Arians, that the Son is a little God, and the Father is great?

Which persons of the three co-equals have Gods of another person?

Is God the Holy Spirit the God of the Father?

Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God,
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
 

Brianrw

Member
From the Father proceed the Son and Spirit. According to the Divine economy, both Son and Spirit are subject to the Father but are consubstantial co-equal in nature.

Irenaeus (ca. 125-202), who received his doctrine from Polycarp, John's disciple and other disciples of the Apostles and wrote down their teachings in a work called Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching. In it he writes,

So then the Father is Lord and the Son is Lord, and the Father is God and the Son is God; for that which is begotten of God is God. And so in the substance and power of His being there is shown forth one God; but there is also according to the economy of our redemption both Son and Father. Because to created things the Father of all is invisible and unapproachable, therefore those who are to draw near to God must have their access to the Father through the Son. And yet more plainly and evidently does David speak concerning the Father and the Son as follows: Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever: thou hast loved righteousness and hated unrighteousness: therefore God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. For the Son, as being God, receives from the Father, that is, from God, the throne of the everlasting kingdom, and the oil of anointing above His fellows. The oil of anointing is the Spirit, wherewith He has been anointed; and His fellows are prophets and righteous men and apostles, and all who receive the fellowship of His kingdom, that is to say, His disciples. (47)​
 
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